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Lets be honest, danny boy. You are a tad circumspect in saying first half kick-off reception mistakes by Clifton `kept providing field position to Worthing`. Not just field position, but direct responsibility for their first 13 points - two penalties and a converted try.

When did matters improve? When hooker Dave Wheeler (ex Dings Crusaders), of all people,  took over the catching duties from the back-row.
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Great time at Clifton, Super hosts, great lunch great bunch of supporters, Clfton village after and yes bumped in the Chairman and some of the guys,Super weekend all round
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Originally posted by jerrymouse jerrymouse wrote:

Lets be honest, danny boy. You are a tad circumspect in saying first half kick-off reception mistakes by Clifton `kept providing field position to Worthing`. Not just field position, but direct responsibility for their first 13 points - two penalties and a converted try.

When did matters improve? When hooker Dave Wheeler (ex Dings Crusaders), of all people,  took over the catching duties from the back-row.

I was trying to avoid over-egging the point but you are right jerrymouse. The failure to field the kick offs cost Clifton dear in that first half. I hadn't realised that Dave was fielding the kick offs in the second half. He wasn't visible from the stand side of the pitch but obviously did a good job.
 
On a different issue, how often do Clifton goal kickers manage to hit the post? Two more on Saturday that had they been a few inches the other side would have contributed five more points.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Danny Boy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 10:30
Originally posted by Old Hooker Old Hooker wrote:

Great time at Clifton, Super hosts, great lunch great bunch of supporters, Clfton village after and yes bumped in the Chairman and some of the guys,Super weekend all round

Glad you had a good day Old Hooker. Best of luck for the rest of the season.
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I have to say, without seeing anything of the game, Redruth's result at Redingensians seems a superb one. With The Rams' home record and the team representing the town of my Cornish ancestry's away record, it seemed a nailed on home win, so well done The Reds. RoD - did you or any of the other Reds on here go? Would be interesting to hear about how Redruth did.
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Surreyben, I'll give you a quick view from Rams perspective. Redruth were far more clinical than Rams, they took their chances really well & capitalised on the errors made by Rams. HT was 13-15 to Redruth & I thought we'd possibly sneak it in the second half, not to be. Rams possibly left a couple of tries on the park, but a real wake up for the promoted team. I had a good chat with one of the Redruth coaches during the game & a couple of the players afterwards, nice folks.
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Originally posted by SeaSider70 SeaSider70 wrote:

Good game of rugby at Southend today, really close 1st half, game was won in the 15mins after halftime. Chinnor lost their shape a bit and shipped a couple of tries. A couple of decisions evened themselves out with a forward pass for a Chinnor try and possible blocking for a Southend score.

Overall I think Southend deserved the win, some good backs play and opened up Chinnor a few times. I think Chinnor kicked really well first half against the wind but didn't do much 2nd half as they were chasing the game. Big game for the Southend forwards, impressive ball carrying and edged the scrum I think.

Well done SeaSider70. How does this season's Southend crop compare to last? Given how good Chinnor looked at the end of last season and the volume of signings reported in the off season, I was tipping them to really kick on this season, so I'm interested to know if it was a case of Southend being stronger than I expected (given a lack of news) or Chinnor not being as good as expected.

On the subject of Chinnor, I found it quite incredible that only two of the starting XV who took the field in the final game of last season played against Southend! It could well be that squad rotation and injuries made this stat slightly deceptive, but it seems that the plethora of signings we heard about may have been counterbalanced by a similar number of players heading in the opposite direction. In particular, I note that Alfie To'oala and Reuben Haile are no longer mentioned on Chinnor's site, but I don't recall hearing of their plans to move on. Also, what of Nev Codlin?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Darth Raider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2015 at 17:23
RoD......Alfie To'ala is now at Clifton.  Where Haile is now I don't know, he seems to have a different club each season.
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Thanks Darth Raider, that had passed me by totally. To'oala is another who's going to need a caddy for all his former clubs sometime soon! After a quick cyber-stalk, I can't find any evidence of Haile having played last weekend.
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Chinnor have also lost Jack Hayes to Rotherham, Christian Ostberg to Aurillac, Ricky Cano to Wharfedale, David Coutts to Cambridge and Alex Waddingham to Richmond. Ed Keohane ( Division fly-half of the season according to the Rugby Paper ) also appears to have left the club. Argentinian Prop Cambareri hasn't been mentioned either....

I expect it will be like last season when it will take half a dozen games ( or more ) to work out the best XV. With Cambridge and Stortford coming up we could again be played 4, lost 3........

The pack selected for last Saturday's 2nd XV looked very strong and I would expect most of those players to be regulars in the 1sts as the season progresses.

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Thanks fatbear. Keohane and Cano are names I remember from last season's side too. Keohane is another name I remember, again, he doesn't appear to have played in the National Leagues last weekend.

I suspect that you're right about it taking a while for things to come together, but this will ever be thus with such a high turnover of players. Like many sides, Chinnor were nowhere near as quick to publicise their departures as their signings, leaving me to assume that the hard core of last season's side had been augmented by some impressive new signings and that Chinnor would be serious contenders this season. Hopefully from the point of view of Chinnor supporters, some more consistency can be established over the next few seasons. 
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Originally posted by RedOrDead RedOrDead wrote:

Well done SeaSider70. How does this season's Southend crop compare to last? Given how good Chinnor looked at the end of last season and the volume of signings reported in the off season, I was tipping them to really kick on this season, so I'm interested to know if it was a case of Southend being stronger than I expected (given a lack of news) or Chinnor not being as good as expected.
 
On the subject of Chinnor, I found it quite incredible that only two of the starting XV who took the field in the final game of last season played against Southend! It could well be that squad rotation and injuries made this stat slightly deceptive, but it seems that the plethora of signings we heard about may have been counterbalanced by a similar number of players heading in the opposite direction. In particular, I note that Alfie To'oala and Reuben Haile are no longer mentioned on Chinnor's site, but I don't recall hearing of their plans to move on. Also, what of Nev Codlin?
 
If I may answer you question re changes the answer is very few and maybe this has worked to our advantage as it can take take some time for new players to bed in. We lost a prop and hooker (retired) a back row (emigrated) and they were replaced in all 3 cases as well as the addition of a scrum half by players returning to the club after a year or two away. So they were in familiar surroundings right off. The only new player on Saturday was Krijn Twight at No8 who has played in all the warm up games and is settling in very well.  I would expect that we shall soon be in the unusual position of fielding both a Swedish and Dutch international before too long. It would be even nicer to have our current Samoan international back as well as it would be interesting to see how he has come on in the last 2 years as he was not a bad player then.  We had 2 players missing from the pack on Saturday and to have produced such a good win at the start bodes well for the season.
 
Whilst the backs are the same as last year there is a noticeable difference in the pattern of play this season which is paying dividends and has produced some outstanding tries in the games so far. Lets hope we can continue the run this week although Redruth has not been our happiest hunting ground points wise although we happily settled for the one last season.
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Thanks for your thoughts Sarfender. We'll have to agree to disagree on one thing though - I'm rather glad you won't be bringing Mike Stanley with you! Wink I notice Kris Chesney's name didn't feature on your team sheet last Saturday, does this mean that he has finally hung up his boots?

I was interested to note the competitive pre-season fixtures that you guys had played, maybe there is something to be said for it and winning against tough opposition has become a habit. Hopefully now that Greg Goodfellow is collecting cards elsewhere, we can keep 15 men on the field and break your winning streak.

FWIW, I think that Redruth are marginally stronger than last season. In the forwards, one talented, young second row has replaced another and a young prop (who we'll probably see back on loan) replaced by one with plenty of Championship experience (who scored two tries last week). In the backs, we've picked up some exciting young talent, winger Alex Ducker (of Exeter Chiefs sevens fame) in particular. The loss of Greg Goodfellow to Chinnor will mean less of an attacking threat from the breakdown, but more reliable ball for cohesive backs play and less fines for the club! Now that the team has a dedicated backs coach, I'm looking forward to an improved showing from the Reds back line this time out.
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I understand that Kris has a slight leg injury but certainly intends to play this season. This weekend, who knows?
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Another player who I would prefer not to see in the line up given the choice. For fear of stating the obvious, he's past his best, but he still brings a huge amount of know how, experience and leadership to the side.
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Originally posted by RedOrDead RedOrDead wrote:

Another player who I would prefer not to see in the line up given the choice. For fear of stating the obvious, he's past his best, but he still brings a huge amount of know how, experience and leadership to the side.

Not to mention influence with the referees!
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Chesney has a nasty habit nowadays of pushing people to the floor, tripping them or treading on their heels when the ball / play is in the distance. Of course this is rarely seen by officials. Shows how slow he is now that he commits his foul play so far from the action.
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Wigwam, I think you could be describing any one of 30 forwards currently playing in Nat 2 South alone who use every trick in (and out) of the book. Take a look at your own players, I bet you'll see something going at every breakdown and scrum.

Who is your team anyway?

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WIGWAM, I must take exception to these sad comments; having watched him for a whole season he is still a quality player and puts his body on the line every game and goes where others fear to; and is developing a very good young pack around him. Not a person to give out cheap shots he doesn't need to !!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jimthechair Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2015 at 18:00
I think a quick straw poll would reveal that the vast majority would love to have Chesney in their squad.
As for "gamesmanship" well,beauty is in the eye of the beholder isnt it? 
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