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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote wyntngley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Nov 2019 at 15:17
Thanks for the warm welcome.

No predictions from me :)

Last season’s 6th place was good and we’d love to improve on that but remember there was 30 points between 5th and 6th - that’s five five pointers! Quite a gulf.

I think ClIfton will score more points this time around and the league has already shown after 11 rounds that there are no easy matches. It’s a brilliant league to watch rugby.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Darth Raider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2019 at 21:09
WOW.......it seems that all of the bottom 5 teams had very good days today ?

Westcliff must take the honours today methinks, with an outstanding home win against in form Choppers ?
I dont think anyone saw that one coming ?  excellent effort ClapClap 

Elsewhere in the Lions battle....Bournemouth seem to have come very close to beating another in-form team in Leicester........anybody from either of these games have anything to help us appreciate and understand what actually transpired ?

The other outstanding result on the day (IMO), is Clifton's dominant win at OA's......many may have predicted a win based on the Bristol side's outstanding recent form, but 6-43 ?  Really ?

Wyntngley........you may have to fess up to being a bit excited now ?  That was another outstanding win and looking at your fixtures up to Xmas,  there seems strong likelihood that Clifton will be in the top two ?I confess that my previous comment about Clifton getting promoted this year was a bit tongue in cheek......but consider said tongue removed WinkClap

As to my lot......we played some of our better backs stuff for the first 25mins and tied up the TBP....then got lost and fell into some usual issues....individual errors....keeping it in the forwards too long near their line....offences at the breakdown....etc etc.  we were better in the collision again though and bolstered by the return of the skipper.  Also and just by the by, we had Karym Irving come off of the bench.......an ex-Raider and only on loan, but I for one was very pleased to  see him back.  a great team player and IMO, a really good bloke.

A terrific effort by Barnes at Dry Leas and also by Sutton in getting their draw at Old Reds.  Much can still happen in this tremendously competitive league......i continue to look on with interest Big smile


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It was a special win for us at Westcliff today. It was the last 1st XV league game to be played at out current club.
We have a brand new clubhouse and pitches to move into next week, so we will host Esher on 7th Dec at our new facility. It’s all part of the Southend airport expansion plan which means a section of the new hi tech business park will soon be built on our current clubhouse and pitches.
Our 2s also had a good win against Southend rfc, so lots of beer will be downed tonight, because let’s face it, better to drink it than have to carry it to the new clubhouse !!

I’ve watched our home games this season and I’ve felt we were very unfortunate not to have picked up two or three more wins than we have. Today was our best performance of the season in my opinion. The lads defended tremendously, with Redruth often coming away empty handed after getting close to our try line. We were more patient today in attack and built pressure through the phases better than we have been doing. All in all a very pleasing performance and the whole club is proud of the players and pleased for this seasons new coaches.

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Thanks Darth.
A really good result. It was 7-10 at half time.
This away fixture was one I could not make as I had day visiting with a poorly relative in hospital.
Rugby gets put into perspective when your 42yr old brother has a stroke.
As I said in a previous post, the team spirit is something special this year, it’s a treat to be part of it.
There’s a couple of tough matches coming up; Westcliff are new to us and had a great result today; then a consecutive home match with Redruth (always tight); Esher away (another mystery); and finally the Big Bristol Xmas Derby with Dings at home.
I don’t do predictions - it’s going to be a brilliant run to the end of the year with 3 home games though.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Darth Raider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2019 at 22:22
TEM........good to hear from you......keep it coming ?  The Westcliff pack seem a tough and disciplined unit....maybe yiu can pick up more wins and get clear ?

Wintngley.......v sorry to hear about your young brother, my cousin is still in hospital with the same issue...fair bit older though.  
on current form, i see no reason why Clifton might not win all those fixtures to xmas......i remain interested to see what the league table might look like at that point, despite your unwillingness to do any predictions Wink  you can leave that to me....i am expert at getting them wrong. Ouch
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sweatysock Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Nov 2019 at 00:09
yes the Worthing game was a bit of an odd one (and we had the now inevitable driving rain towards the end) - 4 tries to 1 in first half hour, but couldnt finish Dings off - in fact at one stage it looked like we might see a dramatic turnaround, but Worthing did enough in end.

cant really grumble after 4 wins in a row
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George Turner got a yellow for fighting and Devon Constant got one for a slap down, so Lions indiscipline was a factor, but my understanding was that Bournemouth were up for it and made for a great game of rugby.
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Originally posted by Thames Estuary Man Thames Estuary Man wrote:

It was a special win for us at Westcliff today. It was the last 1st XV league game to be played at out current club.
We have a brand new clubhouse and pitches to move into next week, so we will host Esther on 7th Dec at our new facility. It’s all part of the Southend airport expansion plan which means a section of the new hi tech business park will soon be built on our current clubhouse and pitches.
Our 2s also had a good win against Southend rfc, so lots of beer will be downed tonight, because let’s face it, better to drink it than have to carry it to the new clubhouse !!

I’ve watched our home games this season and I’ve felt we were very unfortunate not to have picked up two or three more wins than we have. Today was our best performance of the season in my opinion. The lads defended tremendously, with Redruth often coming away empty handed after getting close to our try line. We were more patient today in attack and built pressure through the phases better than we have been doing. All in all a very pleasing performance and the whole club is proud of the players and pleased for this seasons new coaches.

I'm sure Esther can't wait Big smile
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Leicester Lions unbeaten home record will come under some scrutiny this coming weekend, big game for both sides as teams look to being at the top end for Christmas.
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I was at Tjs v Esher. It was a cracking game with both teams attack and defense at full speed. TJs scored 3 tries to 1 and should have had a fourth but the referee behind play missed a clean put down that was right in front of me. This gave Esher a sniff of a win at the end but Tjs defended the line for about 5 min straight. There were a few ex prem players on show for Esher with Cheesman amongst them. A couple of injuries saw Tjs have 3 props and a hooker on for the last 15 min but they had the better of the forward exchanges apart from one spinning scrum that gained a penalty for Esher. The game was high quality and the disappointment and joy were clear for both teams at the end of the game. For me Esher are as good as any of the teams I've seen in Nat 2 this year but the rub of the green doesn't seem to be going their way. 
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I was taking a look at other tables again.....it still seems likely that Canterbury, Barnstaple, Wimbledon and perhaps Guernsey could be back with us next year.

What interested me most was the composition of the Nat1 table and what it MIGHT say about the state of our game in the midlands and north.

It may well change of course, but the top 7 sides in Nat1 at the mo are all southern sides, most of whom are fairly recent exports from Nat2S (Rams 3rd....well done so far chaps Clap).   There are now only 5 non-southern sides in Nat1 and two of those are in the relegation places at present.....so that total could go down to four next year ?

A disturbing trend continues ?    Ouch
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I am sure at the start of the seaosn there was concern for Leicester Lions being sent South - but they seem to be doing OK.
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I was at the Clifton vs OAs game it was close for 50 mins however Clifton seemed
 to win most of the collisions and for the first time all season turned pressure into points
As for promotion we're new to all this top of the table stuff ,lets see how we go till Christmas but as Wyn said there is a great team and club spirit at the moment which will help , still a lot of good teams battling at the top and as the results from the weekend shows at the bottom as well , no easy games anywhere
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"(Rams 3rd....well done so far chaps Clap)"

Darth, thanks for the compliment, yes, at the moment we're doing ok but a long way to go but we feel that we're "comfortable" at this level, Rosslyn Park this weekend will be another stiff examination .... we have found the league slightly more attritional, picked up two long term injuries in the backs and found that mistakes get punished heavily but so far so good .....
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I'm not surprised at Rams being in the top half of the table, as they have a strong enough pack to at least survive.

They are showing even better than I thought they would, I understand Stapley is back which can only be a boost (great player).

I'm not sure how big a squad they have, hopefully the injuries are not to serious and they can cover them.

Best of luck for the rest of the season.
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Originally posted by Clueless like most Clueless like most wrote:

I was at Tjs v Esher. It was a cracking game with both teams attack and defense at full speed. TJs scored 3 tries to 1 and should have had a fourth but the referee behind play missed a clean put down that was right in front of me. This gave Esher a sniff of a win at the end but Tjs defended the line for about 5 min straight. There were a few ex prem players on show for Esher with Cheesman amongst them. A couple of injuries saw Tjs have 3 props and a hooker on for the last 15 min but they had the better of the forward exchanges apart from one spinning scrum that gained a penalty for Esher. The game was high quality and the disappointment and joy were clear for both teams at the end of the game. For me Esher are as good as any of the teams I've seen in Nat 2 this year but the rub of the green doesn't seem to be going their way. 

I was there also. A game Esher could, and probably should have won. Only two ex-Premiership players at Esher - Tom Cheeseman and Tristan Roberts. Esher's shortage of props caused us problems in the last 10 minutes when we had 3 penalties on the TJs line but couldn't take a scrum because of the weakness of our replacement prop, 3rd choice loosehead. 

It was a good game on a difficult pitch, TJs were slick in their approach work and handling but I thought their defence left a bit to be desired. Esher defended well but didn't really get going forwards until Tom Cheeseman came on and Charlie Gosington returned from a 6-week injury lay-off. Between them they have played over 250 games for Esher so it was a strong bench in those areas!

Thanks to TJs for hosting us so well.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I am sure at the start of the seaosn there was concern for Leicester Lions being sent South - but they seem to be doing OK.
 
Thanks, I don't think the club were unduly worried, there's a decent squad and a great team spirit that finished last years campaign on a high. Picking up away wins has been the real bonus, I guess the travelling to new venues could have had a negative effect, but doesn't seem to be so. They are competitive side, 4 of which took part in Leicester Tigers development side at Kingsholm last night, though Gloucester ended up the winners, sure the experience will have stood them in good stead for the future.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Clive N

I'm not surprised at Rams being in the top half of the table, as they have a strong enough pack to at least survive.

They are showing even better than I thought they would, I understand Stapley is back which can only be a boost (great player).

I'm not sure how big a squad they have, hopefully the injuries are not to serious and they can cover them.

Best of luck for the rest of the season.

I made the long trip to Canterbury from Reading last weekend. The Cant pack was man for man bigger than the Rams pack, but as per usual the fitter and more skilled pack came out on top. The first scrum was on the Cant 5m line, their put in, they were shoved back at a rate of knots. Mistakes cost Rams 17 points in the 1st half, but the players recognised that and closed the game off. 

This weekend against RP will be another great test in what's proving to be an entertaining season. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wigwam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 2019 at 20:33
Just been reading Peter Gavin’s review of BSE. They certainly seem to be a well travelled lot !!!
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Originally posted by Wigwam Wigwam wrote:

Just been reading Peter Gavin’s review of BSE. They certainly seem to be a well travelled lot !!!

Not many local lads in that squad!
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