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Originally posted by LHTT LHTT wrote:


What about Bracknell, they had a moment too, now where?
 

Bracknell are now in National 3 South West (Level 5)
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Newbury Blues.
Manchester.

Both of whom I saw play London Welsh back in the day. Welsh at Newbury, Manchester at Welsh.

I remember being impressed with Newburys ground and clubhouse setup.

At the end of the Manchester game, their team lined up, headed off to the changing room.
Near the door was a supporter with a lit ciggie and a pint of lager in hands.
The Manchester full back, veered away from the door, went to the supporter, who handed him said fag and pint. Classic.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Apr 2017 at 13:32
Waterloo relegations cannot be a surprise to any Rolling Maul readers! The only Club with it's own subject log!!Wink

Haywards Heath got to level 4, then pulled out and started again. Staines reached Level 5 and then had to drop 3 levels to start again (and are still struggling). 

Manchester earned great respect from Esher for fulfilling all of their games in that awful season at Level 3 and they have kept it together since. 

The worst two relegations for me were last season with Wharfedale and Cinderford going to Level 4. The two best away trips in the League (apologies to all the other Level 3 Clubs) taken from us in one season.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RedOrDead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Apr 2017 at 14:43
Originally posted by LHTT LHTT wrote:

I thought we were at level 3 when we played Haywards Heath and Havant but it might have been level 4 before the 2003/4 promotion season in which case I stand corrected.

Redruth were promoted from to level 3 in 2005 via the playoffs. From memory, Blackheath were promoted the season before, if I'm right, you'd have been at level 4 in 2003/04. Havant's Wikipedia page is one of the better around (possibly maintained by the person who ran a very informative club website in the era we're talking about) and lists the league they've played in since inception, which confirms that they were relegated from level 4 in 2002/03, promoted again 2003/04 and mid table at level 4 in 2004/5. Piecing together when I can from my memory and incomplete Wikipedia records, the last time Blackheath and Havant would have met in league rugby would have been in 2002/03 at level 4.

I was getting my wires crossed re: Haywards Heath, I thought that Redruth had played them in a cup game in 2004/05 while they were in a lower league. It must have have been someone else we played (Woking?) as Haywards Heath were at level 4 that season. They were promoted to level 4 and played their first season in 2003/4, surviving their first season before getting relegated again in their second. That being the case, the battle of the Heaths last occurred in the leagues in 2003/04.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RedOrDead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Apr 2017 at 14:53
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Waterloo relegations cannot be a surprise to any Rolling Maul readers! The only Club with it's own subject log!!Wink

Haywards Heath got to level 4, then pulled out and started again. Staines reached Level 5 and then had to drop 3 levels to start again (and are still struggling). 

Manchester earned great respect from Esher for fulfilling all of their games in that awful season at Level 3 and they have kept it together since. 

The worst two relegations for me were last season with Wharfedale and Cinderford going to Level 4. The two best away trips in the League (apologies to all the other Level 3 Clubs) taken from us in one season.

Wells said all round. On their last league visit to Redruth the loudest cheer of the day was reserved for when Manchester finally crossed the whitewash. IIRC Manchester sent a letter thanking Redruth for the respect that they had been treated with that day, something that they apparently didn't enjoy everywhere that they visited during that very difficult season. The bonhomie continued when they kindly agreed to move a fixture to the Sunday after Redruth's match against Sedgley Park to save Redruth making another long trip, having already wasted one when the permafrost on the tundra rendered the match unplayable.

It's a cautionary tale about trusting men in blazers, on a previous visit, I recall one such person proudly claiming that Manchester's then lofty position was despite spending no more than the RFU stipend (remember those days?).

I quite agree about Cinderford and Wharfedale being great places to visit.
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Good chance of Manchester meeting Loo again next season.
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Originally posted by LHTT LHTT wrote:

What about Bracknell, they had a moment too, now where?

In National Three. They've continually been transferred between National Three L&SE and National Three SW over the years.
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How high did Aspatria go after the Courage Leagues started?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Apr 2017 at 19:28
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:


Haywards Heath got to level 4, then pulled out and started again. Staines reached Level 5 and then had to drop 3 levels to start again (and are still struggling). 


I don't believe Staines dropped 3 levels on request as they went down through the London leagues, post having risked success on paying players for a while.

Heath asked to be relegated when they were at Level 6 (L1S)

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How high did Aspatria go after the Courage Leagues started?

Aspatria were promoted to Level 3 at the end of the 1991 - 92 season.

1992-93 league placings
Otley
Havant
Exeter
Redruth
Sheffield
Leeds
Liverpool St Helens
Clifton
Aspatria
Askeans
Broughton Park
Plymouth Albion
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Originally posted by The Joy of (Level) 7 The Joy of (Level) 7 wrote:

How high did Aspatria go after the Courage Leagues started?

For many years, Redruth to Aspatria was the longest trip ever made in league rugby (I believe that Aspatria to Redruth was approximately the same distance). I have a feeling that it was only when Mount's Bay flew too close to the sun that this record was topped. In answer to your question, much higher, they'd have been in Scotland! WinkLOL


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2017 at 08:16
Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:


Haywards Heath got to level 4, then pulled out and started again. Staines reached Level 5 and then had to drop 3 levels to start again (and are still struggling). 
 I don't believe Staines dropped 3 levels on request as they went down through the London leagues, post having risked success on paying players for a while.

I think Cannon's right, Staines have just dropped down year-by-year:
12-13 relegated from National 3 LSE
13-14 relegated from London 1 South
14-15 retained place in London 2 NW
15-16 relegated from London 2 NW
16-17 relegated from London 3 NW

They will be in Herts & Middlesex 1 next season, alongside London Welsh.
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Originally posted by Maroon Maroon wrote:

How high did Aspatria go after the Courage Leagues started?

Aspatria were promoted to Level 3 at the end of the 1991 - 92 season.

1992-93 league placings
Otley
Havant
Exeter
Redruth
Sheffield
Leeds
Liverpool St Helens
Clifton
Aspatria
Askeans
Broughton Park
Plymouth Albion
 
Interesting to see where they will be 25 years on for 2017/18 season. Who would have put money on Exeter being the star performer?
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Originally posted by Maroon Maroon wrote:

How high did Aspatria go after the Courage Leagues started?

Aspatria were promoted to Level 3 at the end of the 1991 - 92 season.

1992-93 league placings
Otley
Havant
Exeter
Redruth
Sheffield
Leeds
Liverpool St Helens
Clifton
Aspatria
Askeans
Broughton Park
Plymouth Albion


Interestingly, the leagues were restructured for the following season (10 instead of 13 at Levels 1 to 4), so while they finished fifth in National 4 in 1993/4 and 1994/5, they had exactly the same number of teams (34) above them as when they finished 9th in National 3 in 1992/3!




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Remember Izal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2017 at 11:04

For many years, Redruth to Aspatria was the longest trip ever made in league rugby (I believe that Aspatria to Redruth was approximately the same distance). I have a feeling that it was only when Mount's Bay flew too close to the sun that this record was topped. In answer to your question, much higher, they'd have been in Scotland! WinkLOL
 
Mounts Bay to Tynedale would be hard to beat subsequently. The MB President apparently drove the bus both ways (circa 1100 miles) and the game nearly didn't happen because of a September down pour at Tynedale. At various times Tyne also had Redruth ,Launceston and Wadebridge Camels and of course Jersey visit them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Old Gold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2017 at 11:24
Originally posted by Stoatgobbler Stoatgobbler wrote:

Originally posted by LHTT LHTT wrote:

Both Havant and Haywards Heath have spent a season or two at N1 level within the last 10 years, where are they now?


I once went to see Tabard (another name) v Haywards Heath.

A thoroughly good time was had in the Tabard clubhouse.

Popped into the pub over the road, The Cat And Fiddle, before the game.
The barman served me a decent pint. Two hours later he was down in the back row for Tabard.

Fond memories of our visit to Tabard, lovely place, proper rugby club hospitality.
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Here's a wider view of the spreadsheet that earlier capture was from - I'm sure it'll throw up some more candidates.

(Where leagues become regional it shows the northern of the two leagues, e.g. Area League North, National 4 North).

NB You will have to press CTRL and + a lot of times to read it!!




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"With regards Haywards Heath, they elected to drop out of the leagues when their backer pulled out and restarted in the Sussex Merit tables. A similar ignominy to East Grinstead. Will Worthing go through the same, that makes three clubs all within a stones throw of each other"
 
Worthing don't have a backer, so would not withdraw from the leagues if relegated to level 5.
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Liverpool St Helens started in Level 1 and been as low as Level 8?
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Crikey. If my memory serves me correctly Havant were the only team to beat us (32-29) in 1994/95 on our way to level 3 .

Reading gave us two close games too. What happened to them? I do recall going there when we played them in the National Knockout Cup. We were in the Prem at the time.
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