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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 16:57

Quote I guess it is about being professional at all times. Somehow, I can't see respected journalists posting the sort of petty bias you do. They would be ridiculed.

I think more journalists should post on forums, personally. But we are all entitled to our opinions and you obviously see things differently. No problem.

Quote I will await your childish last word with anticipation

It is simply my opinion. If you perceive that as childish then so be it. I will still sleep at night.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 18:01
You've got to give Smithy a little bit of credit.
 
He's like a boxer in a fight who's getting pummelled and refuses to give in, however much he thinks his ego will be damaged if he concededs. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 18:44
5 points and 15 K
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 18:44
10pts, 5 suspended till April 2014, £15,000 fine
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 18:45
Well there you go.... A punishment is seen to be meted out, a wallet has been emptied and the relegation battle continues to be something that is worth fighting over, the excitement hasn't fizzled out....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 19:06
While London Welsh go bottom of the table, two points behind Sale, they have been given a possible lifeline.
It pays to be wise after the event!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 19:15
A lifeline in the Championship maybe - but next year will be interesting for them......!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 19:22
     
               
                         
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London Welsh deducted points and fined
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LONDON WELSH have had five league points deducted, a further five-point deduction suspended until the end of season 2013-14 and been fined £15,000 after being found to have fielded an ineligible player in the Aviva Premiership this season.

The player, Tyson Keats, appeared in 10 matches whilst not holding Effective Registration with the Rugby Football Union.

The case was heard by an RFU Premiership Regulations Panel of Inquiry consisting of Jeremy Summers (chairman), Mark McCafferty and Peter Budge.

Mr Summers said: “This was an extraordinary case and one that it is hoped will never be repeated. The sanction imposed was structured to reflect the seriousness of the matter, which included conduct that was dealt with by the police, but also to import a rugby-based proportionality to the overall position that took into account the wider interests of the game.”

The full text of the written judgment is on rfu.com here <HYPERLINK>

London Welsh have 14 days in which to appeal against the decision.

London Welsh's former rugby manager Mike Scott is also the subject of a separate RFU disciplinary hearing relating to Keats' registration.

He has been charged under RFU Rule 5.12 for "conduct prejudicial to the interests of the Union or the Game". Scott's case will be heard at a later date.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 19:22
LW to appeal. Well there's a surprise.

Anyone like to guess the date of the final outcome? I'm guessing late May!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 20:06
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 20:42
After reading the full judgement can only think Welsh got off very lightly. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 20:49
In summary, Scott failed to obtain an ancestry visa for Keats, falsely declared on his player registration form that he held a UK passport and had been born in England in order to obtain registration. 

Scott then falsified a UK passport for Keats and submitted same to the RFU on request but failed to provide a UK birth certificate for Keats when requested by the RFU resulting in his not being recorded as an EQP player. The only reason that London Welsh knew anything about the Keats issue is because Steve Lewis was trying to obtain the EQP payment.

London Welsh became aware of Scott's actions in early December, left Keats out of the squad pending successful application for the ancestry visa which was obtained in early January. Scott was formally cautioned by the Metropolitan Police in December.

Tony Copsey conducted an internal inquiry at Welsh which cleared John Taylor and Steve Lewis placing all blame on Scott.

Keats played for Welsh in 10 games during which they gained 20 league pts while registered under false pretenses with forged supporting documents. 

Had Scott obtained the ancestry visa and registered Keats correctly, there would have been no transgression.

To suggest that London Welsh has no culpability for the behaviour of an employee whose job description included responsibility for player registration is risible, similar to a bank suggesting that they have no responsibility for the actions of a rogue trader.

I think they've got off incredibly lightly, had this happened at a club below level 2 the consequences would have been far more serious
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 20:55
Originally posted by Fat Albert Fat Albert wrote:

To suggest that London Welsh has no culpability for the behaviour of an employee whose job description included responsibility for player registration is risible, similar to a bank suggesting that they have no responsibility for the actions of a rogue trader.

Indeed, I'm no legal eagle, but isn't the term vicarious liability?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 21:28

Quote He's like a boxer in a fight who's getting pummelled and refuses to give in, however much he thinks his ego will be damaged if he concededs

Not at all. I just state my opinion. If people disagree with me I have no problem with that.

As for London Welsh, a staggeringly lenient sentence and a desperately predictable appeal. Sums up that club.

Live by the lawyer...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 21:32
My local team, Dings, had five points deducted for having an improperly registered player on the bench for one game.  He didn't even come on.  In addition they lost the bonus point gained in that match.  So in effect a 6 point deduction.
 
LW have got off very lightly in my view.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 21:32
Mrs Uckridge is an HR person and is involved with employing people from overseas.   I ran this past her and she says, as an employer, LW are responsible for the actions of the individual.  She was quite shocked at what had transpired and considers it a serious offence.

Looks like they got off lightly.  That said, I hope they stay up, it's no way to be relegated.



 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 21:57
So, if welsh are relegated, Newcastle win promotion, Welsh win their appeal and get the points re-instated, what happens?

I'm delighted Welsh got off lightly, purely & simply to get up Mark Smith's nose.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 22:06
Stanley, I disagree with you. The way to stay up is decided on points gained, if they loose a few through poor management perhaps they will reflect on this during the club's time in the Championship and make the necessary changes. If they get more points than Sale then they will stay up. Everyone seems to agree that they got off lightly, and as been stated clubs in lower leagues would have been dealt with more seriously.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 22:34
This is quite an incredible cover up by that individual - I suggest he avoids the vicinity of Old Deer Park and the Kassam Stadium as he may find numerous individuals after his head....
 
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