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Could it be at some clubs that some pepole are employed to run bar, stewarding for parking etc while at others supporters and members do this for free hence admission charges.
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Originally posted by Trench Foot Trench Foot wrote:

I think Southend charge £10, it is £5 for members only. Where a club has a programme charge it is of course not compulsory and you can still watch the match free.
Normal running costs can be met by the usual sources, subs, bar, functions and lunches etc., as they always used to. Clubs at this level who charge admission, have to do so now, because they have the extra cost of paying players.
So, if I go to an away match my entrance fee effectively is funding opposition players, bought in to compete against my team.
You might think £10 is good value for an afternoons entertainment, but there is the disparity issue between clubs who charge this sum and those and make you welcome for free.

Dorking charge £10 to visitors and £5 members. Of course this includes match programme, parking, use of club facilities, (bar,toilets,catering, Sky/BT sport TV- and what a cost that is!!) and of course the game. We all know you have to pay to watch SKY/BT sport at home or anywhere, and to be honest the cost is extortionate especially in clubs and pubs. Has anyone ever been to a club on an autumn international weekend when Internationals are not being shown because of the cost. 6 Nations normally covered by BBC.
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

From my perspective, and I have only been to one, Westcliff seemed a very nice welcoming club and have a nice clubhouse. As for Southend, I've never been there and can't pass judgement but I'm always wary about clubs who charge for admission. 

Do you expect the club to come and pick you up as well or are you happy to fund your own journey to the ground?
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I seem to have touched a nerve inadvertently here?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Trench Foot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 11:10
There's a few points here:

This thread started as a biopic of the clubs in this league, and then, which charge admission - we have only heard of a few so far, and it would be enlightening to know who charges what.

I can understand that professional clubs with pro players, staff and stadiums etc charge for admission, but down to what level of rugby is an admission fee still justified? 

Is it morally right to charge visitors more than your own members. It appears that if I go to Dorking to watch my team, I would be paying twice as much as home team supporters. Or am I expected to join their club to gain such a discount? 

Should there be reciprocal agreements? If you expect to pay £10 to watch an away game, and find that there is no charge, I don't suppose making a donation is ever considered, or ensuring that visitors from such clubs are invited in for nothing?  

At this level, Rugby is, and should remain an amateur sport. You should not have to rely on admission fees to sustain your club. If you have to because players will only stay or join if paid, you need to think about cutting your cloth accordingly, or you can be on the slippery path that clubs like East Grinstead took.


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As a general rule in the Midlands and North as far as I know Level 5 is usually a fiver on the gate including programme. Level 4 is usually £8 and Level 3 a tenner. 

That has been my experience anyway.
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Originally posted by Trench Foot Trench Foot wrote:

There's a few points here:

This thread started as a biopic of the clubs in this league, and then, which charge admission - we have only heard of a few so far, and it would be enlightening to know who charges what.

I can understand that professional clubs with pro players, staff and stadiums etc charge for admission, but down to what level of rugby is an admission fee still justified? 

Is it morally right to charge visitors more than your own members. It appears that if I go to Dorking to watch my team, I would be paying twice as much as home team supporters. Or am I expected to join their club to gain such a discount? 

Should there be reciprocal agreements? If you expect to pay £10 to watch an away game, and find that there is no charge, I don't suppose making a donation is ever considered, or ensuring that visitors from such clubs are invited in for nothing?  

At this level, Rugby is, and should remain an amateur sport. You should not have to rely on admission fees to sustain your club. If you have to because players will only stay or join if paid, you need to think about cutting your cloth accordingly, or you can be on the slippery path that clubs like East Grinstead took.


Dont forget Trench club members pay their club subs usually £120 pa upwards, hence the discount for home games. From memory I have paid £10 admission at Southend (£12??) and the same at Westcombe Park, OE's, TJ's, Colchester  and most other clubs in previous seasons. The only exception I can recall is Sutton and Epsom who dont charge admission but charge for programme. There maybe others so please dont jump on me if I have forgotten some. Every club try to reduce overheads in anyway possible, and volunteers do a lot, but rugby clubs are business's like any other business and have to manage income/expenditure accordingly to avoid insolvency. Not every club have 'massive financial sponsors' and most rely on a number of much smaller sponsors to help pave the way forward.  
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Step down a level and its free to watch London Cornish AND you get a free programme (a far better tome than many of the advert laden offerings higher up I might add!!).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FEZ ANT PLUCKER Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 12:35
I agree it would be useful to have some form of 'uniformity' across all clubs in the same league and thus negate this conversation. For those of us who enjoy watching the game and supporting our local club (rather than playing) a lot of pleasure is derived and saturday afternoons become a choice to watch rugby and meet friends and like minded people from other clubs. We should never forget the effort and dedication players put in for the enjoyment of others (and for themselves), with the intense training schedules, risk of injury and all that goes with that, so paying £5 home or £10 away, seems a fair price to me to pay, in the whole context. If I resented paying I have a choice. I could go elsewhere but would still have to pay. 
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For some clubs what they can and can't charge for is dependant upon their grounds - I think i remember being told Bracknell (ex LSE3) charge for the program not admission as there is a public footpath past the pitch. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 16:44
I'll put my two pennies worth in, I think £5 is an acceptable charge incl a programme. Personally we only want to see team sheets and clubs could save by making them available on a single A4. Running a club is not cheap and we must remember that.

However, do home clubs not remember visitors have invested to come to their ground. Charging more for visitors is an insult. At least football typically charge visiting supporters less (call the men in white coats, I supported round ball!!)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 16:46
Originally posted by DICKON DICKON wrote:

Step down a level and its free to watch London Cornish AND you get a free programme (a far better tome than many of the advert laden offerings higher up I might add!!).


It use to grate me visiting clubs at L6 and paying, especially on public parks.

Many clubs at L6 are still free and the likes of Chobham also give free programmes, personally I'd just like clubs to hand out a team sheet.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2017 at 16:53
Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

Originally posted by DICKON DICKON wrote:

Step down a level and its free to watch London Cornish AND you get a free programme (a far better tome than many of the advert laden offerings higher up I might add!!).


It use to grate me visiting clubs at L6 and paying, especially on public parks.

Many clubs at L6 are still free and the likes of Chobham also give free programmes, personally I'd just like clubs to hand out a team sheet.

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Originally posted by FEZ ANT PLUCKER FEZ ANT PLUCKER wrote:

Originally posted by Trench Foot Trench Foot wrote:

There's a few points here:

This thread started as a biopic of the clubs in this league, and then, which charge admission - we have only heard of a few so far, and it would be enlightening to know who charges what.

I can understand that professional clubs with pro players, staff and stadiums etc charge for admission, but down to what level of rugby is an admission fee still justified? 

Is it morally right to charge visitors more than your own members. It appears that if I go to Dorking to watch my team, I would be paying twice as much as home team supporters. Or am I expected to join their club to gain such a discount? 

Should there be reciprocal agreements? If you expect to pay £10 to watch an away game, and find that there is no charge, I don't suppose making a donation is ever considered, or ensuring that visitors from such clubs are invited in for nothing?  

At this level, Rugby is, and should remain an amateur sport. You should not have to rely on admission fees to sustain your club. If you have to because players will only stay or join if paid, you need to think about cutting your cloth accordingly, or you can be on the slippery path that clubs like East Grinstead took.


Dont forget Trench club members pay their club subs usually £120 pa upwards, hence the discount for home games. From memory I have paid £10 admission at Southend (£12??) and the same at Westcombe Park, OE's, TJ's, Colchester  and most other clubs in previous seasons. The only exception I can recall is Sutton and Epsom who dont charge admission but charge for programme. There maybe others so please dont jump on me if I have forgotten some. Every club try to reduce overheads in anyway possible, and volunteers do a lot, but rugby clubs are business's like any other business and have to manage income/expenditure accordingly to avoid insolvency. Not every club have 'massive financial sponsors' and most rely on a number of much smaller sponsors to help pave the way forward.  



Very sorry but rubbish, OEs were £5 at Nat 3 £7 at Nat 2 and only this year have gone up at Nat 1 to £10.. You have never paid £10 to watch Oes at Nat 3 or Nat 2!!!


 






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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2017 at 22:04
Well that's interesting as I was charged £10 at OEs three times last season. Perhaps they were mistaken about admission charges on the gate (three times) Tongue
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Originally posted by Camera Camera wrote:

Well that's interesting as I was charged £10 at OEs three times last season. Perhaps they were mistaken about admission charges on the gate (three times) Tongue

ClapClap Maybe the £10 I was charged at OE's was on the occasions Dorking were visiting.Wink Seems I am not alone.. This is minor in any event. For the 2 seasons D's were at L4 I recall £10 was the the norm across the board. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 hours 50 minutes ago at 17:52
The League apparently has its own season page on Wikipedia this year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_London_%26_South_East_Premier
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