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    Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 14:03
Interesting bit from the Fylde web site today re 4 loan players:
More interesting to see that only a couple of weeks ago, some of these were at Rotherham (Postlethwaite and Odogwu) playing in the Champioship and one was at Doncaster (Langdon) and the other on loan at Sale (Moore)

How can rules on loan players allow them to jump from club to club? Totally understand the loan or dual reg player rules, but if they are loaned out it should be to a club for the season, not one game one week for one club then another club. In Postlethwaite's case this will be his third trip back to Fylde having played twice for them in-between 6 games for Rotherham and now a return on loan to Fylde, because the Fylde D of R has connections at Sharks! These rules need looking at and quickly, dual reg should mean what it says, you can be registered with two clubs, not several!



Fylde make five changes in their starting line-up for the trip to South East London. George Brookes returns to the right wing berth and, with injuries ruling out a number of players, four Sale Sharks dual registered players are drafted in. Hooker Curtis Langdon and lock Matt Postlethwaite have already worn the claret and gold hoops this season. Debuts are given to two other young talents – backrower Sam Moore and winger Paolo Odogwu. 

Sam Moore, who was named yesterday in the England U20 EPS Squad for 2017/18, joined the Sharks Academy in 2016 and has already made his 1st team debut, in the European Challenge Cup, LV Cup and the Premiership this season.  

Paolo Odogwu has represented England at U’18s and U’20s level and came through the Leicester Tigers Academy system. He joined the Sharks last season and subsequently made his debut in the Aviva Premiership. 


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That's outrageous. Within the rules maybe, but it's riding roughshod over the whole essence of the game & fair play....Guns for hire!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 14:33
To be fair I think Langdon (if I have the right chap) lasted all of 2 minutes for Donny - concussion I believe
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I think you will see more of this down at the bottom with teams with connections struggling
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Remember Izal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 15:24
Don't forget EQPs can be simultaneously registered with a Prem. Championship and Nat 1 club with no restrictions this year.
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 15:41
I seem to remember that Cinderford drafted in DRs at the end of quite a few seasons to ensure survival or guarantee decent playing standard for Prem to get back to fitness. It's all bo11ocks.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 16:44
A shame to Odogwu back in Nat 1  . .before Sale started splashing the cash he was regularly starting and starred against Toulon . . so much so that people we waxing lyrical about him being the next Jason Robinson. I rate him, and he should be too good for Nat 1! Sam Moore is also and Excellent player and subject to a tug of war between England and Wales.
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Reading these posts 4 very talented lads will they help Fylde Try stay at National 1 or are they just playing this week as some of the comments allude they are moved round and surely if a championship club needs help Sale will send them there first for stronger rugby before they push to get into Sale main squad. This can't be good also for any Fylde second team lads who are written up as young up and coming lads then players in ones get injured and 4 lads are parachuted in rather than lads promoted. It's the old discussion do you run a club or just bother about the first team squad, then the rest are separate....As I know a young lad at Fylde week in week out plays seconds moves positons, has had one bench for firsts ( away all the way to London ) then this week knowing he plays similar position to an injured lad rather than get the nod they big Sale lad in, what's point of training hard waiting for that break and rather than promote from within their coach just borrows for his other employer?
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This is all a pity really. Fylde have a decent youth system and they have been the North West beacon club for a number of years now, however in recent seasons they have increasingly turned to DR players from Sale Sharks which cannot do much for their club or player morale.

Postlethwaite played most of last season on a DR basis with Sale FC, he is a lump of a man. Paolo Odogwu is a bundle of muscle and pace with quick feet and power to burn. Sale FC played him in the play off game against OE's at Heywood Road last season but he was largely ineffective in the centre against an uncompromising OE's defence.

As a supporter I abhor the use of DRs in this way as it seems pointless and keeps clubs playing at an artificially high level. If you need to drop down a level because your youngsters aren't quite there yet so be it. At least it is your own lads that you are supporting not some strangers bussed in for a couple of games.

The only area where I believe the DR system may be justified is where front row injuries means it is unsafe for a youngster from a club's 2nd xv to be thrust into a level 3 situation.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pen 15 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 19:44
won't do them any good I suspect .DR players bring nothing to team morale especially fringe players in the squad .In my humble opinion the best signing to bolster a squad is Mr t spirit
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 20:47
To be fair to Fylde and more over Coach Warren Spragg, he's has lost two Wingers in a week, if he feels he needs to bring in some more talent on the Wing (Odogwu) then I guess thats a worth a call. Postlethwaite comes in to Row because Fylde may feel that other options other than Oli Parkinson need a rest. Langdon has been involved at Fylde on and off since the start of the season. Sam Moore is an interesting call but again freshening up the Back Row isn't a crime.

No rules broken and whether DRs are a good thing that's need a thread of its own (I think it has in the past?)

CV, not really fair to say that Spraggy has ignored a lad in the 2s after basically filling the starting XV with young lads all season, the lad in question may not be a first choice on the wing for the 2s never mind an option for the 1st in a vastly attritional National 1.
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Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

To be fair to Fylde and more over Coach Warren Spragg, he's has lost two Wingers in a week, if he feels he needs to bring in some more talent on the Wing (Odogwu) then I guess thats a worth a call. Postlethwaite comes in to Row because Fylde may feel that other options other than Oli Parkinson need a rest. Langdon has been involved at Fylde on and off since the start of the season. Sam Moore is an interesting call but again freshening up the Back Row isn't a crime.

No rules broken and whether DRs are a good thing that's need a thread of its own (I think it has in the past?)

CV, not really fair to say that Spraggy has ignored a lad in the 2s after basically filling the starting XV with young lads all season, the lad in question may not be a first choice on the wing for the 2s never mind an option for the 1st in a vastly attritional National 1.


You totally miss the point, that being one week these players are playing for other clubs,the next Fylde. Where are they next week? back at Rotherham or Doncaster,that’s what’s wrong with it!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 09:05
No point missed. You seem not to understand the term "Loan". A player can be loaned out for 1 game or the whole season and be DR'd with his parent Club and the Club loaning him. Upto Registration Deadline in February a player can be loaned to as many clubs as physically possibly. These aren't experienced journeymen these are current or recent Senior Academy players getting experience and game time.... didnt do Maro Ijote and harm when he was at OAs.
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Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

No point missed. You seem not to understand the term "Loan". A player can be loaned out for 1 game or the whole season and be DR'd with his parent Club and the Club loaning him. Upto Registration Deadline in February a player can be loaned to as many clubs as physically possibly. These aren't experienced journeymen these are current or recent Senior Academy players getting experience and game time.... didnt do Maro Ijote and harm when he was at OAs.

Feel free to correct me but my impression was that a player who is out on loan can only be registered with his parent club, and one other club at a time so in this case if a player has been DR'd for Rotherham, his Rotherham registration should be cancelled and he must be re-registered to play for Fylde. and he then can not be re-registered again for any club, even Rotherham, (i.e. a player can only be registered and re-registered twice in a season) 

This may have changed since last season following the revised DR registration requirements if it has I am not aware of it. Regarding playing a DR player Fylde aren't doing anything wrong at all.

  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 11:54
This season the regulations for England Academy Players are much looser. 
Now not all of the players in a Premiership Academy will be EAP - but most are. 
An EAP can be simultaneously registered for one club at levels 1, one at level 2, one at level 3 and one at level 4 and swap freely between them. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alderman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 16:45
I resisted the temptation to comment earlier particularly as Fylde were clearly not breaking any rules. The outcome is now clear though. The Lancastrians received a 55-10 battering. Odogwe had a decent game and the No.8 carried the ball strongly until he was yellow carded late on but Fylde were largely outclassed.
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Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:

won't do them any good I suspect .DR players bring nothing to team morale especially fringe players in the squad .In my humble opinion the best signing to bolster a squad is Mr t spirit

Spot on   15 minutes into the game, the Fylde skipper at 9 tells the on loan hooker to stop f**king moaning and shut up and get on with it... in the team huddle after Oes score their 2nd try...Mr T Spirit = Nil ... 
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Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

To be fair to Fylde and more over Coach Warren Spragg, he's has lost two Wingers in a week, if he feels he needs to bring in some more talent on the Wing (Odogwu) then I guess thats a worth a call. Postlethwaite comes in to Row because Fylde may feel that other options other than Oli Parkinson need a rest. Langdon has been involved at Fylde on and off since the start of the season. Sam Moore is an interesting call but again freshening up the Back Row isn't a crime.

No rules broken and whether DRs are a good thing that's need a thread of its own (I think it has in the past?)

CV, not really fair to say that Spraggy has ignored a lad in the 2s after basically filling the starting XV with young lads all season, the lad in question may not be a first choice on the wing for the 2s never mind an option for the 1st in a vastly attritional National 1.


Freshening up?

Need a rest?

They've just had weeks off for Christmas!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pen 15 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 20:21
Originally posted by Intouch Intouch wrote:

Originally posted by pen 15 pen 15 wrote:

won't do them any good I suspect .DR players bring nothing to team morale especially fringe players in the squad .In my humble opinion the best signing to bolster a squad is Mr t spirit

Spot on   15 minutes into the game, the Fylde skipper at 9 tells the on loan hooker to stop f**king moaning and shut up and get on with it... in the team huddle after Oes score their 2nd try...Mr T Spirit = Nil ... 
not even a little surprised,did they even know one anothers names?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WESTCOMBE RANGER Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 20:25
Loughborough got spanked today. Not wishing to detract from Caldy's performance, but the fact remains that teams who employ DRs and/or Loanees cannot do so every week for various reasons, therefore there is not a consistent and level playing field for the remainder of the clubs who do not have this perceived short term 'Benefit'
Personally I am convinced that long term there will be no benefit at all. What will happen when the likes if such clubs get relegated is that they will subsequently go into free-fall if they are not careful, because they will not get the same quality of player and by then will lost regular 2nd team players who have had enough. Food for thought ?
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