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    Posted: 05 Jan 2021 at 13:24
Cardiff, Twickenham and Wembley as potential Test Match venues.

Playing South Africa tests in UK is contingency plan
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jan 2021 at 18:27
hmmmm... not quite sure the good hoteliers/bar owners/restaurateurs and ancillaries of SA will look on letting the Lions play at "Home" as opposed to a postponement to another season so they can get their cut of an estimated 1 Billion Rand (about £50 Million) that the 40-50,000 Lions fans will generate.

So possible choices are postpone for a year or let them play in the UK, don't see the Lions again until 2033 if at all again!
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I know it's a few months off yet but do we really need planes flying in from South Africa with yet more possible variants of the virus. We won't get out of this by allowing World travel to continue - pro sport/holidays/business travel whatever. Absolute joke - why are we worried about the Lions when folk are dying by the thousand?
There are also wider implications here. Elite sportspeople, popstars, celebs in general - we can carry on regardless The rest of you plebs need to follow the rules. Rita Ora was it, gets caught having a party, issues the mandatory apology then spends her time trying to find out who "Dobbed her in" Footballers break the rules, apologise, but heyho no consequences. You can probably tell I'm working myself up into a frenzy here but it's an absolute effin nonsense! 


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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

I know it's a few months off yet but do we really need planes flying in from South Africa with yet more possible variants of the virus. We won't get out of this by allowing World travel to continue - pro sport/holidays/business travel whatever. Absolute joke - why are we worried about the Lions when folk are dying by the thousand? 


No flights from Sth Africa allowed at present.

Personally, I don't see the point of Lions playing at home, better to postpone it - although 2033 is a tad pessimistic
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2033 - Freudian slip?? 😂😂
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Australia and New Zealand before South Africa in 2033 I think. 
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Delaying the Lions for a year won’t be popular with the unions.
I think Brian Moore said in an article that players suffer loss of form etc. for a year post tour.
That would impinge directly on the next World Cup.

If they can’t/won’t/shouldn’t go to South Africa then in my opinion, the tour should be cancelled or at least deferred until the next Lions cycle.
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If SA a no go get the Lions back to New Zealand and finish the job from the last series?😁
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 2021 at 10:42
Sorry should have made it clear 2033 is the next time the Lions should visit SA after this year.
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Originally posted by MikeGC MikeGC wrote:

Delaying the Lions for a year won’t be popular with the unions.
I think Brian Moore said in an article that players suffer loss of form etc. for a year post tour.
That would impinge directly on the next World Cup.

If they can’t/won’t/shouldn’t go to South Africa then in my opinion, the tour should be cancelled or at least deferred until the next Lions cycle.

agree MGC - delay to 2022 almost certainly so unpopular with Home Unions (and English clubs, and also Aus/NZ due to host Eng/Ire at that time) that they'd decline to release players...

looks very challenging to go to SA this July & things would have to improve pretty rapidly in UK to stage it here at that time, so yes, I'm thinking 2024 or 2025 might be necessary. But with the Lions' name/brand/tradition/ethos/magic/influence/significance (delete as applicable) waning - I hate to say that but regret it's true - could they survive a 7/8 year absence?

lot of money riding on all this, maybe that will somehow lead to a solution being found - that's as optimistic as I can manage right now Cry


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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by MikeGC MikeGC wrote:

Delaying the Lions for a year won’t be popular with the unions.
I think Brian Moore said in an article that players suffer loss of form etc. for a year post tour.
That would impinge directly on the next World Cup.

If they can’t/won’t/shouldn’t go to South Africa then in my opinion, the tour should be cancelled or at least deferred until the next Lions cycle.

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agree MGC - delay to 2022 almost certainly so unpopular with Home Unions (and English clubs, and also Aus/NZ due to host Eng/Ire at that time) that they'd decline to release players...

looks very challenging to go to SA this July & things would have to improve pretty rapidly in UK to stage it here at that time, so yes, I'm thinking 2024 or 2025 might be necessary. But with the Lions' name/brand/tradition/ethos/magic/influence/significance (delete as applicable) waning - I hate to say that but regret it's true - could they survive a 7/8 year absence?

lot of money riding on all this, maybe that will somehow lead to a solution being found - that's as optimistic as I can manage right now Cry

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Possibly more to the point, SARU may well go broke without money from the Lions tour.

If the tour is cancelled and not rearranged for 2022 would it be an idea to put the cycle back 4 years so the tours remain in sequence but 4 years behind?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RedPete Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jan 2021 at 11:03
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by MikeGC MikeGC wrote:

Delaying the Lions for a year won’t be popular with the unions.
I think Brian Moore said in an article that players suffer loss of form etc. for a year post tour.
That would impinge directly on the next World Cup.

If they can’t/won’t/shouldn’t go to South Africa then in my opinion, the tour should be cancelled or at least deferred until the next Lions cycle.

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agree MGC - delay to 2022 almost certainly so unpopular with Home Unions (and English clubs, and also Aus/NZ due to host Eng/Ire at that time) that they'd decline to release players...

looks very challenging to go to SA this July & things would have to improve pretty rapidly in UK to stage it here at that time, so yes, I'm thinking 2024 or 2025 might be necessary. But with the Lions' name/brand/tradition/ethos/magic/influence/significance (delete as applicable) waning - I hate to say that but regret it's true - could they survive a 7/8 year absence?

lot of money riding on all this, maybe that will somehow lead to a solution being found - that's as optimistic as I can manage right now Cry

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Possibly more to the point, SARU may well go broke without money from the Lions tour.

If the tour is cancelled and not rearranged for 2022 would it be an idea to put the cycle back 4 years so the tours remain in sequence but 4 years behind?

That seems a sensible and fair solution.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jan 2021 at 11:16
Maybe they should play somewhere neutral, like Dubai Wink
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Originally posted by Pappashanga Pappashanga wrote:

Maybe they should play somewhere neutral, like Dubai Wink


Really, there have been numerous people returning from Dubai who have contracted the virus.

Also playing elsewhere does nothing to address the financial problems SARU face if there are no crowds.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jan 2021 at 12:01
It's rife everywhere at the moment. I can see the tour being postponed.
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I hope not. All this hypothetical speculation from the media isn't helpful. It is possible  to do it at the worst case scenario. At the extreme end  you could just require those on the official Lions tour to get a negative test or vaccine certificate before getting on the plane, have specific hotels with specific isolated excursions every day, sit all Lions fans together  in a stadium (like football , though I know the thought of that will be sickening to all) and have designated Lions pubs. It will be possible providing we have the support of the South African government.
 
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Possible maybe but on reflection I'll be giving that one a miss - vaccinated or not! 
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A couple of years ago, it was suggested a Ladies Lions team be formed.
If the men play in the British Isles, maybe the brand could be launched here. Not sure if opposition would be ready though, think suggestion of USA and Canada. Maybe two tests in Wales and Ireland?
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

I hope not. All this hypothetical speculation from the media isn't helpful. It is possible  to do it at the worst case scenario. At the extreme end  you could just require those on the official Lions tour to get a negative test or vaccine certificate before getting on the plane, have specific hotels with specific isolated excursions every day, sit all Lions fans together  in a stadium (like football , though I know the thought of that will be sickening to all) and have designated Lions pubs. It will be possible providing we have the support of the South African government.
 

 
Sorry but have you not seen the news in the last month?

South Africa have a new strain of this thats twice as bad as ours according to UK Gov.
Hence why we have stopped travel to and from SA at present.

Don't you think that 20k supporters might, just might pick it up at some stage, in whatever bar or hotel or complex they are staying in? Or even attending games, or are all the staff at events going to be British as well? 

When I last looked nobody under 45 was in line to have the vaccine before July if they were fit and healthy. Or do we just jump them to the front of the line because they want to get on a plane to SA to watch rugby 

Very sorry but what a stupid suggestion.......


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fly Half Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan 2021 at 08:56
South Africa is in total crisis,their health system is nearing collapse,travel is banned and yet all a few half wits want is for thousands of brits to travel their(and return) so they can watch a game of rugby.Ofcourse,the govt should assist in sending brits there and ofcourse,its the govts fault when they return with the virus and its no doubt the govts fault for overwhelming the SA health service.
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