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Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

For those fighting the drop I’d see newbies Hove and Camberley there with Thurrock again scrapping to prop up the table.
 
I think Camberley will give you a nasty surprise in that case, Cannon!
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Originally posted by Surreyben Surreyben wrote:

Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

For those fighting the drop I’d see newbies Hove and Camberley there with Thurrock again scrapping to prop up the table.
 
I think Camberley will give you a nasty surprise in that case, Cannon!

My thoughts are from what I saw of them, if they do some recruiting during the summer they may surprise us all.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gareth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jul 2018 at 13:34
Well we will find out in 8 week's time i guess.   

I'm looking forward to a new season with new clubs & old  the battles will continue!

LSW2 is a tough division to get out of as we know all to well.Going to be interesting !
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Truwblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jul 2018 at 12:06
A trusted source has mentioned that both the Dugan brothers from Gosport are training with Havant. Both would be very useful additions. Havant will be a force next season..
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I believe both of them have been with G & F since they were kids.

Probably ok as replacements. Wes the scrum half is very good when the pack is going forward.Hav have plenty of wingers that are as good or better then the other one.


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Wherever they play next season, they are cracking lads and a credit to
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London Cornish RFC is delighted to confirm the following coaching team for season 2018-19:

HEAD COACH - CORNE DU RAND
Corne has enjoyed a fine coaching career, encompassing spells at both Ealing RFC and London Scottish RFC in the Championship, from whom he joins LCRFC. He is an RFU Level 3 Qualified Coach who specialises in developing players skills, and takes control with immediate effect. Corne comments "I am delighted to have been offered this opportunity to work with such a unique club. I am hugely impressed by the strong ethos that the club has maintained and the ambitions within the club to see what is achievable without moving away from what makes the club unique. I am looking forward to working with the coaching and management team assembled by Dickon, all the players, along with the new recruits, as well as meeting all everyone involved with the club – there is plenty to do in limited time and it’s an exciting opportunity to develop the club further."

ASSISTANT COACH - DAN LEO
3 World Cups, 39 caps for Samoa, a Heineken Cup, Premiership and most importantly a London 2 South-West Winner, Dan returns after a season with Bishops Stortford in National 1 because London 1 South is a gap in his rugby coaching CV! He had a massive impact both on and off the pitch in his previous spell here and, as he is moving back south for family reasons, is expecting to be able to bring the same innovative approach to coaching this time around! Dan adds “After a successful 2016-17 season at LCRFC when we went unbeaten, it’s great to be returning to a club I know well. The club is strongly accustomed to winning and I look forward to the challenge of working with Corne and Paul in establishing Cornish as a top 4 side in London 1 South, and really kicking on as one of the best amateur clubs in England."

2s COACH - PAUL SPIVEY
Paul joins after a 13 year semi-pro career with the likes of Hull Ionians, Moseley, London Scottish, Ealing and Rosslyn Park, from whom he moves to us. He played for 6 seasons in the Championship, and though he has coached at youth level, is starting out on his adult coaching journey. He has already observed pre season training and will be a great addition to the team.

DoR Dickon Moon adds "I am sure you will agree with me that this represents a very exciting coaching team with which to work, and all are joining because the 1 night a week training, low travel element of a L6 club fits neatly around their other commitments. I am still on the hunt for a Backs Coach, probably seeking their first coaching role, but we have enough cover with the experience we have above if we are not successful in landing one. I also hope that the calibre of this coaching team will more players keen to develop their games join LCRFC, and Cornish lads moving up here or at other clubs in the area come home to Cornish!

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Hope Dan Leo and Paul Spivey are not going to play as well, otherwise there's going to be only one other place to play for.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Blub Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jul 2018 at 12:47
Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

Originally posted by Surreyben Surreyben wrote:

Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

For those fighting the drop I’d see newbies Hove and Camberley there with Thurrock again scrapping to prop up the table.
 
I think Camberley will give you a nasty surprise in that case, Cannon!

My thoughts are from what I saw of them, if they do some recruiting during the summer they may surprise us all.


I am with Surreyben.  Camberley will be closer to the top than the bottom, for sure.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jul 2018 at 21:12
Originally posted by Guildfordblue Guildfordblue wrote:

English Vacancy
London 1 Club seek:
Lock, 10, 12/13 and 15
Offer includes flight, job, gym and accommodation
Players required August - April and would need quality CV and footage
EU, UK, AU or NZ passports holders who can get a youth mobility visa
Email Mike at m.cross@trytimerugby.com if this sounds like you

Level playing field?

Following on from this post earlier and my misguided prediction of Camberley’s final position this year, I suspect that this was them. Camberley are offering money, they have recently said they will be telling the RFU the same and therefore forfeiting all/any support for the RFU at any level under the new rules
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Originally posted by WESTCOMBE RANGER WESTCOMBE RANGER wrote:

Hope Dan Leo and Paul Spivey are not going to play as well, otherwise there's going to be only one other place to play for.
Dan Leo played a handful of games for Cornish when they won London Two SW two seasons ago.
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Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

Originally posted by Guildfordblue Guildfordblue wrote:

English Vacancy
London 1 Club seek:
Lock, 10, 12/13 and 15
Offer includes flight, job, gym and accommodation
Players required August - April and would need quality CV and footage
EU, UK, AU or NZ passports holders who can get a youth mobility visa
Email Mike at m.cross@trytimerugby.com if this sounds like you

Level playing field?

Following on from this post earlier and my misguided prediction of Camberley’s final position this year, I suspect that this was them. Camberley are offering money, they have recently said they will be telling the RFU the same and therefore forfeiting all/any support for the RFU at any level under the new rules

No problem with clubs paying match fee's where rules arent broken but by paying for flights, accommodation, match fee's or any benefit in kind to players travelling on Youth Mobility Visa's they will be breaching RFU rules and if caught will do a "Medway" as it's commonly known! To add to the rap sheet, I can't see mike Cross or Trytime rugby on the RFU registered agents list.

Unfortunately we all know of many clubs that extract the urine season after season seemingly without any care for the rules and regulations but all the time the RFU refuse to be proactive on the matter, it will only encourage more to follow suit as the rewards seemingly outweigh the risk. 
I have enormous respect for those clubs that do remain honest and still compete with the more unscrupulous element!


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Originally posted by Sir_Q Sir_Q wrote:

Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

Originally posted by Guildfordblue Guildfordblue wrote:

English Vacancy
London 1 Club seek:
Lock, 10, 12/13 and 15
Offer includes flight, job, gym and accommodation
Players required August - April and would need quality CV and footage
EU, UK, AU or NZ passports holders who can get a youth mobility visa
Email Mike at m.cross@trytimerugby.com if this sounds like you

Level playing field?

Following on from this post earlier and my misguided prediction of Camberley’s final position this year, I suspect that this was them. Camberley are offering money, they have recently said they will be telling the RFU the same and therefore forfeiting all/any support for the RFU at any level under the new rules


No problem with clubs paying match fee's where rules arent broken but by paying for flights, accommodation, match fee's or any benefit in kind to players travelling on Youth Mobility Visa's they will be breaching RFU rules and if caught will do a "Medway" as it's commonly known! To add to the rap sheet, I can't see mike Cross or Trytime rugby on the RFU registered agents list.

Unfortunately we all know of many clubs that extract the urine season after season seemingly without any care for the rules and regulations but all the time the RFU refuse to be proactive on the matter, it will only encourage more to follow suit as the rewards seemingly outweigh the risk. 
I have enormous respect for those clubs that do remain honest and still compete with the more unscrupulous element!



What are the rules and regulations SQ?
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Quick question, if players at a London 1N club aren't on any form of contract and a coach / manager from another London 1N club (known to pay some players north of £100 per game) starts facebook messaging them, asking questions about their intentions for the following season, is this tapping up or simply just not really in the spirit of the game?
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Originally posted by Pistacio Pistacio wrote:

Quick question, if players at a London 1N club aren't on any form of contract and a coach / manager from another London 1N club (known to pay some players north of £100 per game) starts facebook messaging them, asking questions about their intentions for the following season, is this tapping up or simply just not really in the spirit of the game?

I don't think it's tapping up if they're not under contract. 

On Edit: I was right, RFU regulation 7 only offers protection against contracted players, not amateur players. I believe the RFU are holding to the principle that an amateur player has the right to choose which club he wants to play for.

 https://www.englandrugby.com/mm/Document/General/General/01/32/72/24/RFURegulation7_English.pdf


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thank you. i'll get looking into contracts then. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DICKON Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2018 at 11:14
The truth is that mercenary players will always go the highest bidder, and in my mind it is a failure of my recruiting skills if I lose someone to a club wishing to pay them to play. We hang our hat on 1 night a weeks training and limited travel in L1S being an enticement in itself to lads whose jobs pay them enough as it is. Occasionally, I will get a bad egg who leaves and tries to take one or two lads with him, but they are not normally particularly popular within the club and are no great loss when they leave. I also encourage lads who do decide that they would like to play at a higher level and be paid to come and talk to me, so I can help them by engaging them with a couple of clubs with whom we have a decent relationship. In such a case, they go with our blessing.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pistacio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2018 at 11:40
All three of my guys who were approached have  shrugged it off and aren't going anywhere. This was done before the last season finished. How this coach was faking support of his existing team whilst trying to engage our players is bizarre. Also baffling that people are prepared to chuck tens of thousands of pounds at Level 6 rugby in south east england. Contracts whether paid or not may well be worth investigating.
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RFU regulations state anyone receiving a material benefit must be contracted:
https://www.englandrugby.com/mm/Document/General/General/01/32/72/24/RFURegulation7_English.pdf


Overseas players travelling on a Youth Mobility Visa can only play as an amateur for no material benefit and as such cannot be contracted:
https://www.englandrugby.com/mm/Document/General/General/01/31/47/30/RFUForeignPlayerGrid(Oct2015)_English.pdf


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2018 at 15:52
And outside of the RFU you are encouraging someone to break the terms of their visa / immigration rules - if professional means paid and contracted then you can not do it on a Tier5 visa


https://www.gov.uk/tier-5-youth-mobility

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