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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Albert Fishwick Albert Fishwick wrote:

They have already said that the only full-time employee will be a head coach. For players they will presumably have a base of academy players and Leeds Beckett students and such money as there is may be enough to tempt some more seasoned local players.

I know many on here don't like Headingley as a spectating venue but the players' facilities are brand new and the surface is now very good (just relaid). The Kirkstall training facilities are also very good and pretty new, having had to be replaced after the 2015 floods.


It didn't look that good in the Rhinos game this week. Bare patches and loose soil down the wings - probably a result of the recent construction works


It has been relaid since the works were completed. This seems to be done every summer. Maybe the turf hasn't bedded in yet where it joins the artificial stuff along the touchlines.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 2019 at 12:23
Originally posted by Albert Fishwick Albert Fishwick wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Albert Fishwick Albert Fishwick wrote:

They have already said that the only full-time employee will be a head coach. For players they will presumably have a base of academy players and Leeds Beckett students and such money as there is may be enough to tempt some more seasoned local players.

I know many on here don't like Headingley as a spectating venue but the players' facilities are brand new and the surface is now very good (just relaid). The Kirkstall training facilities are also very good and pretty new, having had to be replaced after the 2015 floods.


It didn't look that good in the Rhinos game this week. Bare patches and loose soil down the wings - probably a result of the recent construction works


It has been relaid since the works were completed. This seems to be done every summer. Maybe the turf hasn't bedded in yet where it joins the artificial stuff along the touchlines.


Nothing to do with the join with artificial on touch line as it was 2 or 3 yards in from the touch line.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JonDee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 2019 at 12:24
Headingley is not a happy place at the moment with the Rhino's only keeping off the bottom on points difference. Could be that both teams get relegated that would be make a few headlines
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 2019 at 12:50
WWWE i enjoyed and agree with much of your rant. However of the £550,000 from the RFU only around £100,000 has to be used on the areas you listed. The vast majority can and is spent on player wages -this is why YC are desperate to somehow stay in the Champ especially if the rumour of no relegation from the Champ next season turns out to be true. As a club -sorry not a club just a bunch of players thrown together wearing the same jersey on weekends-they are just seeking to manipulate the regulations to avoid the consequences of gross financial mismanagement. Sad to see the RFU colluding with them to allow this to happen. What 'value' will they bring to the Championship next season? What message does this send out to other clubs who spend way beyond their means and then just discard people with no thought for the consequences of these actions to players/coaches and their families. Pretty shameful really.
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Thought the RFU were making an example of Welsh. They do appear to being more “patient” with Leeds. Then again Welsh took them to the courts so probably didn’t help their case.
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Originally posted by geralltrugby geralltrugby wrote:

Thought the RFU were making an example of Welsh. They do appear to being more “patient” with Leeds. Then again Welsh took them to the courts so probably didn’t help their case.
 

I had the same thought last week. Welsh were definitely made an example of, which makes me nervous for Ealing's ambitions this year. I'm convinced that they can give Falcons a run for their money, but if they do, will the RFU conspire to destroy them?
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Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

WWWE i enjoyed and agree with much of your rant. However of the £550,000 from the RFU only around £100,000 has to be used on the areas you listed. The vast majority can and is spent on player wages -this is why YC are desperate to somehow stay in the Champ especially if the rumour of no relegation from the Champ next season turns out to be true. As a club -sorry not a club just a bunch of players thrown together wearing the same jersey on weekends-they are just seeking to manipulate the regulations to avoid the consequences of gross financial mismanagement. Sad to see the RFU colluding with them to allow this to happen. What 'value' will they bring to the Championship next season? What message does this send out to other clubs who spend way beyond their means and then just discard people with no thought for the consequences of these actions to players/coaches and their families. Pretty shameful really.
 

C'mon Broncos! I may actually go watch the Broncos/Hull KR game this Thursday down at Vallis Way, which will lift one of the 3 teams currently on even points off of the bottom. Should be a good game, you get 3 pints with your ticket, and I want to check out what construction has been ongoing during the offseason so far.
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

WWWE i enjoyed and agree with much of your rant. However of the £550,000 from the RFU only around £100,000 has to be used on the areas you listed. The vast majority can and is spent on player wages -this is why YC are desperate to somehow stay in the Champ especially if the rumour of no relegation from the Champ next season turns out to be true. As a club -sorry not a club just a bunch of players thrown together wearing the same jersey on weekends-they are just seeking to manipulate the regulations to avoid the consequences of gross financial mismanagement. Sad to see the RFU colluding with them to allow this to happen. What 'value' will they bring to the Championship next season? What message does this send out to other clubs who spend way beyond their means and then just discard people with no thought for the consequences of these actions to players/coaches and their families. Pretty shameful really.
 

C'mon Broncos! I may actually go watch the Broncos/Hull KR game this Thursday down at Vallis Way, which will lift one of the 3 teams currently on even points off of the bottom. Should be a good game, you get 3 pints with your ticket, and I want to check out what construction has been ongoing during the offseason so far.

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https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12321/11744716/rfu-discussing-premiership-relegation-play-off-plan-says-bill-Sweeney

an interesting comment about the Leeds problem at the bottom of this article
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For those that are having difficulty with the link, the following is a copy of the article, without the adverts and pretty pictures of Leeds players.

I think it is pretty shameful of the RFU to continue the line of being aware of the Leeds situation and making a statement that when they get over their CVA issues, then Leeds will stay within the Championship

An expanded 13-team Premiership and a promotion-relegation play-off with the winners of the Championship is being discussed, RFU chief executive Bill Sweeney has confirmed. The question of whether or not to retain automatic one up, one down promotion and relegation between English rugby union's top flight and second tier is one which rears its head annually, with Newcastle Falcons being relegated at the end of the 2018/19 season and London Irish being promoted back at the first attempt. But rather than ring-fencing the Premiership for three years, as suggested by Bristol Bears owner Steve Lansdown, the idea being considered by the RFU, Premiership Rugby, the Championship and the Rugby Players Association would see an extra team added to the top division plus the introduction of a home-and-away play-off to decide promotion or relegation. There's a conversation going on at the moment where you could end up with a situation where you have 13 clubs in the Premiership and an end-of-season play-off between the bottom of the Premiership and top of the Championship," Sweeney told Sky Sports."It would be a home-and-away-type structure. It's not ring-fencing, so there is still the possibility to get up and that's being discussed."It's not a proposal yet, there are a number of parties in that - PRL, the Championship and us as well, and the RPA involved as well."There are a number of people having that discussion, it's moving along and we would need to take that as a proposal to council."Alongside those talks are discussions over the use of players across teams in the two competitions and investment between the two leagues. The financial state of the Championship was brought into the spotlight last week following the news Leeds-based outfit Yorkshire Carnegie had proposed a company voluntary arrangement with its creditors. Sweeney gave assurances the RFU are closely monitoring the situation and that the club would be able to continue in the Championship for the 2019/20 season if a satisfactory agreement can be reached.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 16:05
The RFU should be leading the process for deciding Leeds continued participation in the Championship not sitting idly by with a watching brief. But of course it doesn't really matter to the RFU because the RFU isn't at all involved in club rugby and this is about rugby stuff and the impact for all clubs in the Championship and National 1.
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Camquin - The pool groupings, as regards YC do look very odd, almost pre empting YC not being in the competition??  From what I can see and hear  only a very few players are left 4/5, well at least they have not been announced elsewhere. I have heard rumours of some local players at other clubs being asked if they might be tempted to move if YC survives . . but these are from clubs in N2.

Surely the RFU need to bring this to a head for all concerned, it seems as if the RFU are being somewhat more supportive than they were for LW?
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Yes almost pretending it’s not happening it seems.
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Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:


Surely the RFU need to bring this to a head for all concerned, it seems as if the RFU are being somewhat more supportive than they were for LW?
 

Living in Oxfordshire I love LW and had a ST when they played in Oxford (playing on Sunday afternoons as they did, it didn't interfere with also watching rugby in Birmingham), but being hard headed about it you can see why they would be. Before even getting down the road of personal fallings out and exasperation there is a difference between LW and a club operating one of the RFU academies - ok they may not have set the world on fire as a club recently, but Leeds probably have a strategic importance (and have caused less of a headache to HQ) that LW doesn't.

I'm not saying it might not be double standards, but I can see why Leeds might get more support and don't entirely dissent from it.

In the meantime, of course, up the Welsh and hope to see them back in the National leagues before too long.


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Extract fomr the Yorkshire Post 13th June:
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Nine players did remain under contract for next term – many having arrived on big money from New Zealand clubs last autumn – but Carnegie cannot now afford to honour them, prompting, in part, the need to ask for a CVA.

The contracts of those players are believed to be worth around £1m alone – more than Carnegie’s entire reduced budget for next term.'


So they saw themselves in danger of demotion and spent a million pounds they couldn't afford.

Now they are going 'part time', presumably financed by the RFU contribution. This is good news for the likes of Ampthill and Hartpury, as a disorganised part time team looks a favourite for the drop .

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I understand the strategic importance . . but maybe that responsibility should be transferred to Doncaster . . to fly the flag for rugby in Yorkshire as there really seems little interest or desire in Leeds.

All that said it is making a farce or pre season and planning for next season for players, supporters and all Nat 1 and Champ clubs.

Then if YC can survive what kind of team can they field? An  Academy team with a few lower league players . . that would be carnage or a team cobbled together with loan players and DORS . .  what is the point?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 12:27
The 'Yorkshire' name is farcical as the club is not representative of the county. It's Leeds as we all know and it would be a start if they reverted to that name and took stock of their real position.
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Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

I understand the strategic importance . . but maybe that responsibility should be transferred to Doncaster . . to fly the flag for rugby in Yorkshire as there really seems little interest or desire in Leeds.

All that said it is making a farce or pre season and planning for next season for players, supporters and all Nat 1 and Champ clubs.

Then if YC can survive what kind of team can they field? An  Academy team with a few lower league players . . that would be carnage or a team cobbled together with loan players and DORS . .  what is the point?
 
Would agree and the point that may have been missed is how many games would end in uncontested scrums as I cannot see Academy or lower league players being able to compete against some of the big teams front 5s 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Count Ford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 12:47
I imagine most have sympathy with the fans/players but surely the RFU should have been more involved if they have a vested interest (the academy)

Essentially YC speculated by spending a huge amount on players to keep them in the league and then commited to paying the contracts for next season despite having nothing more concrete than 'hoping to find' investment.

While they haven't exactly covered themselves in glory recently I'm sure the FCA would be involved if this was a 'normal' business
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Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:

I imagine most have sympathy with the fans/players but surely the RFU should have been more involved if they have a vested interest (the academy)

Essentially YC speculated by spending a huge amount on players to keep them in the league and then commited to paying the contracts for next season despite having nothing more concrete than 'hoping to find' investment.

While they haven't exactly covered themselves in glory recently I'm sure the FCA would be involved if this was a 'normal' business
Sadly the RFU pontificate from high for clubs to exist within their means or below a threshold, but they do not have enough staff to monitor/ manage this.
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