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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote omnes Paviores Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 21:33
Spot on -- if a player has already signed for next season Leeds must ask the club first to gain permission to speak to the player

Last season a player going into the second season of his contract with Hull Ionians went to Rotherham. After lengthy discussions compensation was paid over.

The NCA are keen to stop the practice of clubs going to players first

The subject is written within the rules
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Leeds cant afford £1500!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 21:41
This dilemma must be obvious to the powers that be. Buying a team off the shelf can be done if you have the money, but Leeds won’t be able to repeat last season’s stunt.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 21:45
Are they what is called ‘in denial’ or is there a fairy godfather about to appear? I can’t think of any other explanation.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ecksile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 21:51
Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Leeds cant afford £1500!!

What's that got to do with anything? Ermm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 22:26
I think the scandal of Yorkshire Carnegie is going to be a defining moment for the RFU's governance of club rugby in England and the RFU are all in,
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OldNick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 05:59
Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Leeds cant afford £1500!!


Leeds can afford what their parent company decides they can afford. Their parent company have just, by the recent financial shenanigans lost 85% of a debt from Leeds that they probably never expected to recoup anyway. Yes, it’s a large sum of money, but they no longer have it as owed to them on their book, which will let ok much cleaner as a result.

The fact they have also deprived the other creditors of Leeds of 85% of their money from Leeds which they had every right to have expected to receive is financially irrelevant to them, however immoral and improper behaviour it clearly is.

I suspect we’ll all be unpleasantly surprised by how large a sum their parent company allow them to spend to put together a viable team this late.
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What is the ultimate goal here ?
It can only be to have YC in the Premiership making a profit every year, anything else just doesn't make sense.
If that is the goal then they don't realize they are a terminal case and are just putting a sticking plaster on until they are declared dead.
If that isn't the goal then they must just like throwing money around to feed enormous egos but the end result will still be an ex club, more creditors out of pocket, more clubs disrupted and more players screwed. 
Any player or coach going there and declaring they are excited / impressed must be deluded and have little respect for themselves and don't realize how hollow and insincere they sound to the outside rugby community.       
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Originally posted by Insignificant Tick Insignificant Tick wrote:

What is the ultimate goal here ?
It can only be to have YC in the Premiership making a profit every year, anything else just doesn't make sense.
If that is the goal then they don't realize they are a terminal case and are just putting a sticking plaster on until they are declared dead.
If that isn't the goal then they must just like throwing money around to feed enormous egos but the end result will still be an ex club, more creditors out of pocket, more clubs disrupted and more players screwed. 
Any player or coach going there and declaring they are excited / impressed must be deluded and have little respect for themselves and don't realize how hollow and insincere they sound to the outside rugby community.       

Hard hitting but both realistic and fair
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fenboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 11:22
Two opposing points of view posted on the YC message board:

"Great news for I's to lose their full-back who was a contracted player....struggling to see how that is pleasing....are YC fans asking for more players to be plucked from contracted clubs to YC benefit and at the cost of those clubs? If that is the case that is as despicable"

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"How else would YC get players ? How does any team sign players. It's the players choice in the end.
Players move around all clubs all the time. 
I think a lot of the YC bashing has to stop"

Suspect with an attitude like that the author of the second comment shows the air of delusion displayed by many of the YC setup...obviously the word 'contract' means little
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Originally posted by fenboy fenboy wrote:

Two opposing points of view posted on the YC message board:

"Great news for I's to lose their full-back who was a contracted player....struggling to see how that is pleasing....are YC fans asking for more players to be plucked from contracted clubs to YC benefit and at the cost of those clubs? If that is the case that is as despicable"

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"How else would YC get players ? How does any team sign players. It's the players choice in the end.
Players move around all clubs all the time. 
I think a lot of the YC bashing has to stop"

Suspect with an attitude like that the author of the second comment shows the air of delusion displayed by many of the YC setup...obviously the word 'contract' means little

and what makes it worse is the RFU are utterly complicit in all of this. In my mind the RFU are bringing club rugby into disrepute 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 12:59
Originally posted by Insignificant Tick Insignificant Tick wrote:

What is the ultimate goal here ?
It can only be to have YC in the Premiership making a profit every year, anything else just doesn't make sense.
If that is the goal then they don't realize they are a terminal case and are just putting a sticking plaster on until they are declared dead.
If that isn't the goal then they must just like throwing money around to feed enormous egos but the end result will still be an ex club, more creditors out of pocket, more clubs disrupted and more players screwed. 
Any player or coach going there and declaring they are excited / impressed must be deluded and have little respect for themselves and don't realize how hollow and insincere they sound to the outside rugby community.       

The cynic inside me says Keep the club going in the Championship until discussions are held abour a ringfenced Premiership, which would involve YC as the Yorkshire area side/franchise/et al.

The club then starts to look attractive to investors and the current owners sell on.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 13:44
Except YC don’t own stadium, so
Limited revenue opportunities, but I see your logic from RFU, CVC point of view.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Insignificant Tick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 13:48
That is the only theory that makes any sense of all that has gone on. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Old Gold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 13:52
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Insignificant Tick Insignificant Tick wrote:

What is the ultimate goal here ?
It can only be to have YC in the Premiership making a profit every year, anything else just doesn't make sense.
If that is the goal then they don't realize they are a terminal case and are just putting a sticking plaster on until they are declared dead.
If that isn't the goal then they must just like throwing money around to feed enormous egos but the end result will still be an ex club, more creditors out of pocket, more clubs disrupted and more players screwed. 
Any player or coach going there and declaring they are excited / impressed must be deluded and have little respect for themselves and don't realize how hollow and insincere they sound to the outside rugby community.       

The cynic inside me says Keep the club going in the Championship until discussions are held abour a ringfenced Premiership, which would involve YC as the Yorkshire area side/franchise/et al.

The club then starts to look attractive to investors and the current owners sell on.

Richard,

You have hit the nail fairly and squarely on the head. And yours is not the only cynicism. The whole episode looks cynical to say the least from start to finish IMHO.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 13:54
Or a worry amongst the high up that they absolutely have to 100% have a tier 1 or 2 club in the RL heartland no matter what it costs

(I do not subscribe to that and think the future franchising plan is more likely but was just trying to think of another reason)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 13:59
And they have forgotten Doncaster 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 14:35
Doncaster is a well run and well funded club, with Championship facilities and the ability to increase attendance if they should ever get into the Premiership. They also have a amateur section and minis and juniors which makes them an ideal club to manage any franchise in the Yorkshire area for the RFU so why all the worry about losing Leeds.
I understand the issues and the concerns by Leeds supporters regarding the resulting outcry regards the way that the RFU have approached this mess. I have one comment to make , did the officers of the club , when in December of last year the club was bottom of the league, know that when they brought over all the players to avoid relegation and give them two year contracts know the true financial position of the club and that they would be unable to honour those contracts. If so then they would have been culpable in committing the club to a dept they knew they could not fulfill. If this was the case with a company then the Directors would be personally liable for the dept.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Eddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 15:00
Workerbee Yorkshire Carnegie is a limited company and the only reason that the directors and officers will not suffer scrutiny is the CVA washes a lot of the financial problems away because the creditors are deemed to have accepted the terms by virtue of 75%  of the creditors agreeing to what was proposed.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tulip Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 16:53
Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

Workerbee Yorkshire Carnegie is a limited company and the only reason that the directors and officers will not suffer scrutiny is the CVA washes a lot of the financial problems away because the creditors are deemed to have accepted the terms by virtue of 75%  of the creditors agreeing to what was proposed.


I am sure Big Eddie is correct and these "so called directors" will have done their homework before offering these contracts to these kiwi lads coming over with their family and even their dog. Shameful.
I hope they cannot sleep at night and as that old saying goes "What comes around goes around".
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