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Roth man you are totally spot on with your views on Nat 1 and Championship! I think Roth’s achievements this season are astounding given they had to find a whole new team, but watch out it looks like you might win the league!!!!
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Time to ring fence National 1.

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Think you should re-post this on one of the Chamoionship threads and see what reaction you get. My money would be on 98 per cent agreement from the supporters that this is the best league to be in.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sedge Tiger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2018 at 10:32
Totally agree WR

National One is a great league, I for one miss it badly, a really good competition and a great test for any cIub. I hope Sedge will be back in it one day soon.

Great result for the Blood and Sand yesterday

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Some fabulous replies here from forum members who are all singing from the same song sheet about how "desirable" National One is compared to the dour stuff and increased financial worries in the Championship.
When we get to the last few games there will be several sides who could potentially fall at the last hurdle if a realistic chance of promotion was mathematically possible. Their suitability for promotion would have already been established - mission accomplished. 
A team is perfectly entitled to feel groggy if they were served, for example, a dodgy curry after the final training session before a "must win" fixture. This is a league where the bottom club is perfectly capable of beating the top club without raising any suspicions of sharp practice.
Alternatively any players with a niggling injury could easily withdraw or be withdrawn from training at a crucial moment - the permutations to avoid the horrors of the Championship are endless.
But hey ho - we are all ethical people in National One and everyone well knows that our strict code of ethics is only matched by the RFU watchdogs who require that the most "suitable" team are promoted.
The promoted team need to be "fit for a specified purpose" (The Championship) in accordance with RFU policy. Lets keep having fun in this wonderful league. I think Wharfedale hold the record of 14 consecutive seasons ???????????
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote backrowb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2018 at 11:36
Dale had wonderful 20 seasons at level 3, a fantastic league. I have to say that following them home and away has been, as a supporter, just as enjoyable in level 4, and cheaper and easier. 

Richmond have proven that one can play in the Champ on a semi pro basis, but they do have the pull of London and the job market. I'm not sure how a Northern club can now survive in the Champ.

What is the point in leagues without a desire for promotion? and yet i hear the same discussions at level 4 - What is the point in promotion unless you have a wealthy backer.  
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Blackheath came back to Nat 1 (or 2 as it was then) back in 2003 so we have currently been here for 15/16 years depending on how you look at it. There have been many changes in teams but overall I think the league has always been competitive with only a couple of times there being any whipping boys. Normally these have happened when teams have lost their major sponsor, Orell, Newbury, Barking, Halifax quickly spring to mind the only other one I can think of was Manchester who surprisingly won this division and their attempt to manage at the level above resulted in a financial meltdown which saw them go into free fall. It was quite common for the team coming down from level 2 to win the league and go back up but in recent years that has changed as the team coming down has had to rebuild completely which again has helped make this league more interesting.There has also been the money boys and the manipulators come and go through. I personally don’t think you need a huge budget and this will vary wherever you are in the country but what is key IMO is sound mananagement which looks at the other issues of succession and future proofing so your club isn’t lost in the future which has happened to a few great clubs.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sedge Tiger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2018 at 12:38
Totally agree with you on all your points especially the last with regards to funding driven by sound management.

Sadly the Championship has lost its way, it just seems to me a ‘rump’ competition with not much point to it. I am sure many of the club members and supporters who are in the Championship will have a different view, but for me the whole concept of the original idea has been lost and has not achieved any of its goals. Ironically it has been the structures below that have stepped up to the original concepts.

Good luck to all which level you compete in

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fake_Shemp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2018 at 14:46
Originally posted by DGS Old Boy DGS Old Boy wrote:

Originally posted by Timbo Timbo wrote:

What's going on at Darlington. Obviously something not right behind the scenes.


It's been a long time since you raised your head Timbo. People who watch rugby regularly recognise that DMP lost today because
a) they are still recovering from a big injury list, (Plus Georgu injured himself in the warm up and Warren played with a hamstring strain sustained in the warm up) leaving us with no back replacements on the bench
B) DMP performed badly - It happens
C) More importantly Cambridge played very well and deserved to win.
To be honest uninformed comments like that are best kept to yourself. 😡😡
I wondered why the backline looked different from the one in the program and announced over the tannoy system before kickoff, so thanks for the information. I thought it was clear that Warren was struggling with an injury from the kickoff as he was far from top form and Garry was on kicking duty. It looked as if he was hampered by a leg injury, so it comes as no surprise to learn he was playing with a strained hamstring.

It seemed there was a lack of cohesion and incision in the back play yesterday, but that would make sense if the chief play maker was injured and there had been a hasty re-arrangement just prior to kickoff. There were chances such as Brandon slipping when he would have scored a try if he'd stayed on his feet, passes going into touch instead of to the wing or missed tackles, things which on another day could have led to a different result.

These things happen and credit has to go to Cambridge for taking their opportunities (Nana Asiedu is a quality finisher), being well organised in the set piece, particularly making a mess of our lineout, and defence as they nullified many attacks. As you said, they deserved to win and the scoreline is probably an accurate reflection of the game.
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Originally posted by Fake_Shemp Fake_Shemp wrote:

[...(Nana Asiedu is a quality finisher), 

Really? Never watch his game personally. Kwaku ain't bad though, for a young 'un...
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Funny Barking was mentioned. Have just been looking at the You Tube Video when Barking were on the verge of promotion leading 13-10 and pressing the Scottish line & then the interception.

Can’t believe it was 7 1/2 years ago. Barkings’ history changed in that one moment.

Can’t remember Halifax though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2018 at 18:55
Kwaku Asiedu as he is universally known does appear on the team sheets as Nana.  
He joined us in the summer, having been at Canterbury and Coventry and is our top try scorer this season.

The Nana Asiedu I thing Kimbo is refering to was a Pen State Linebacker who has unfortunately been forced to retire with heart issues (hypertrophic cardiomyopathy) which meant he risked cardiac arrest if he continued playing. Penn State are honouring his scholarship so he will be able to continue his degree and might be able to play non contact sport if he is fitted with a defibrillator.

I remember the Barking game, I was one of the three thousand or so there.
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No CQ. I was referring to our boy Kwaku. Somebody else, oddly, mentioned the gridiron lad.
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For 22 consecutive seasons, the Titans were playing in the Top Two Leagues.  At the end of last season, after just surviving the season before, we were relegated. We fell over the Cliff edge, what awaited us at the bottom ?.  WOW !, we landed on a Thick, Soft, Fluffy Mattress. 
National One has been a breath of fresh air to us.  Some people tipped us to go straight back up, but with 30 new players brought in, we (supporters) knew we would not have it all our own way, and so it has proved.  We have Won games away, that we didn't think we would, we have Lost games at home that we didn't think we would, but overall, up to now, we are having a Wonderful time. 
Lots of new Clubs to welcome / visit and play against, lots of new Friends (supporters) to make and have Banter with.
Blackheath and Elthamians look good bets for promotion, but they have lost games and will lose some more.  A few games ago Loughborough already looked odds on for relegation, but look whats happened.
The way results go in this league, no ones going to make a killing at the Bookies.
There are some big lads in Nat. One, but not like the Muscle Bound Brutes in the Championship, where the Driving Maul will soon become the number one route to the Try line.
Theres nothing wrong with a good Driving Maul from 10yds out, but when you watch teams Mauling from 30yds out, its time to go for a Pint.
About 3wks ago, Jersey won a game scoring 7 tries, 5 of those tries were scored by the Hooker from Driving Mauls. The following week they won scoring 6 tries, 4 of those tries were scored by the Hooker from Driving Mauls.  SAYS IT ALL.
In Nat. One the players do try to run with the ball more, and the game is more 'attractive' to watch.

                            BLOODY HELL, WHATS NOT TO LIKE IN NATIONAL ONE.

At the end of this season, London Irish will be promoted and will have a decent chance of staying up.
Whoever is relegated, will have a 95% chance of going straight back up, its the way the Premiership wants its.
Apart from LI, every other team currently in the Championship, if Unlucky enough to get Promoted, would lose every League game they played, they would have to, apart from what they get from being a Prem Club, Beg, Steal or Borrow Hundred of Thousands of Pounds, if not Millions, to buy a new squad and pay them.  Most of them would have to upgrade thier grounds at a vast cost.
Then after a Tragic season they would be relegated, Beaten and Broken.
Off cohazelnut they may find a Sugar Daddy with £Millions to flush down the Toilet.
The Championship Clubs play 22 meaningful  League games a season. The also play in the meaningless Championship Clubs Cup, where they play against each other again.
Far better to have Combined the Prem and Champ Clubs to play in a straight Knock-Out Cup. This would have given the Champ Clubs a chance to test themselves against better opposition.

                         BLOODY HELL WHATS TO LIKE ABOUT THE CHAMPIONSHIP

Probably another couple of seasons to go, then the Premiership will be Ring-Fenced and all  Leagues below will be Semi- Pro / Amatuer.


PS  Sorry for any spelling mistakes,  I've had a few Jameson's.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2018 at 22:05
I mentioned Halifax as from my knowledge ( and will happily be corrected) came up to Nat One around 2005/06 having won the playoff game after losing out the previous season to Launceston. They had a major benefactor who sadly passed away after a few years but he did leave a will giving money to Halifax R.F.C. but this was contested by the family and overturned by the courts and they plummeted down the leagues. This was the story doing the rounds at the time but will happily be corrected. Funnily enough mentioning Launceston as they also went into financial freefallafter bouncing between levels 2 & 3 for a couple of years
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I think you're about spot on Rabbie. I went up to Halifax watching Lufbra in the Nat 2 north days. They had been relegated - we had been promoted - very pleasant people but in game one already very depressed about their survival chances - not just in Nat 2 N but as a club. They were relegated and rang Luff late in the season and said 'sorry we can't raise a team and if we could we wouldn't be able to afford the coach'. I think they asked the RFU for a four league drop - I lost track after that somewhat. And yes, where the benefactor thought he had done them proud I think his family contested the will.
Also in a similar era I was at Manchester - they were on the vertical drop. Desperate atmosphere. A very young student side stuck 70 odd points on an even younger Manchester side. They had a female coach if i remember correctly who stepped in to help. She stayed with them for some time I think. Very capable but impossible circumstances. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 07:25
Blimey forgot about Manchester’s female coach she took over when they were in Level 3 very nice woman but mission impossible comes to mind.
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Originally posted by WINGER14 WINGER14 wrote:

For 22 consecutive seasons, the Titans were playing in the Top Two Leagues.  At the end of last season, after just surviving the season before, we were relegated. We fell over the Cliff edge, what awaited us at the bottom ?.  WOW !, we landed on a Thick, Soft, Fluffy Mattress. 
National One has been a breath of fresh air to us.  Some people tipped us to go straight back up, but with 30 new players brought in, we (supporters) knew we would not have it all our own way, and so it has proved.  We have Won games away, that we didn't think we would, we have Lost games at home that we didn't think we would, but overall, up to now, we are having a Wonderful time. 
Lots of new Clubs to welcome / visit and play against, lots of new Friends (supporters) to make and have Banter with.
Blackheath and Elthamians look good bets for promotion, but they have lost games and will lose some more.  A few games ago Loughborough already looked odds on for relegation, but look whats happened.
The way results go in this league, no ones going to make a killing at the Bookies.
There are some big lads in Nat. One, but not like the Muscle Bound Brutes in the Championship, where the Driving Maul will soon become the number one route to the Try line.
Theres nothing wrong with a good Driving Maul from 10yds out, but when you watch teams Mauling from 30yds out, its time to go for a Pint.
About 3wks ago, Jersey won a game scoring 7 tries, 5 of those tries were scored by the Hooker from Driving Mauls. The following week they won scoring 6 tries, 4 of those tries were scored by the Hooker from Driving Mauls.  SAYS IT ALL.
In Nat. One the players do try to run with the ball more, and the game is more 'attractive' to watch.

                            BLOODY HELL, WHATS NOT TO LIKE IN NATIONAL ONE.

At the end of this season, London Irish will be promoted and will have a decent chance of staying up.
Whoever is relegated, will have a 95% chance of going straight back up, its the way the Premiership wants its.
Apart from LI, every other team currently in the Championship, if Unlucky enough to get Promoted, would lose every League game they played, they would have to, apart from what they get from being a Prem Club, Beg, Steal or Borrow Hundred of Thousands of Pounds, if not Millions, to buy a new squad and pay them.  Most of them would have to upgrade thier grounds at a vast cost.
Then after a Tragic season they would be relegated, Beaten and Broken.
Off cohazelnut they may find a Sugar Daddy with £Millions to flush down the Toilet.
The Championship Clubs play 22 meaningful  League games a season. The also play in the meaningless Championship Clubs Cup, where they play against each other again.
Far better to have Combined the Prem and Champ Clubs to play in a straight Knock-Out Cup. This would have given the Champ Clubs a chance to test themselves against better opposition.

                         BLOODY HELL WHATS TO LIKE ABOUT THE CHAMPIONSHIP

Probably another couple of seasons to go, then the Premiership will be Ring-Fenced and all  Leagues below will be Semi- Pro / Amatuer.


PS  Sorry for any spelling mistakes,  I've had a few Jameson's.

 The word  course  has been replaced with  cohazelnut --- WHY ?

I don't think it was the word course Winger more the word co A R S E
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