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    Posted: 04 Dec 2018 at 12:55
There is no doubt that injuries affect the progress of all teams, but I wondered if anyone would like to come on this forum and be open about the extent of their clubs injury woes and the likely effect it might have on their season. Much has been said of promotion and relegation, with criticism and praise being handed out in equal proportion, but unless clubs have the strength in depth needed to sustain their performances week in and week out, something has to give, and this affects the results of all teams. My own club Dorking have suffered badly in recent times with 4 of our best players out for the season, the latest last saturday with a broken leg on his first game back after a long term absence.Shocked If we had those missing four, and there are others injured as well, I am sure we would be right up there. That said our young players now emerging are doing a fantastic job filling the gaps, however that is the difference at this level between mid table mediocrity and the top. It is easy for others to question performance and consistency, but a whole load of long term injuries can make a big big difference to a clubs fortunes. It all comes back to depth of strength and ultimately that ugly question of money. I am so proud of our young lads who are being given the opportunity at 1stXV level to show their value and worth, although through unfortunate circumstances. Would be interested to hear the views of others. 
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Sidcup are in their second season at this level and have an injury list of some of their top players, who when fit and available will make a significant difference. The noticeable difference at Sidcup is how the coaches have assembled a massive training squad, 45-50 every Tuesday and Thursday, yes of differing abilities but all amateurs. The club on a Saturday night is absolutely pumping and our 2s, 3s and 4s have all made significant in roads in recent years. Those that have played Sidcup first team this season will know that this is a squad of players who could quite easily go on a big run and end up second as I have predicted and have been ridiculed for suggesting!! The money might come into it with Wimbledon (we have no supporters) Hertford and Tring or even S&E as they are a few players short of a Nat 2 side. Money talks in the second part of the season, the model Sidcup has is the future of rugby. This is the most exciting league for many years.
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I can a sure you there is no money at Tring,for players wages(regularly over half the team have come through M&J section)  
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Don't get it.
So you have a load of injuries and your team loses, so what ?
Do you really feel the need to say " ahh, but we would have beaten you with a full squad" ?
And if you win, again, so what ? Bragging rights ???? Has any supporter such an empty life that a win on a Saturday makes everything all right with the world and a loss makes the outlook that much gloomier ? Is your self image that fragile as to have it shaped by the outcome of a level 5 rugby match ?
Injuries or no injuries just get on and support & encourage the players that have stepped up as it can be a demoralising place to be if supporters bang on about injuries, leaving the selected players in no doubt that they are just keeping the shirt warm waiting for the injured guys to recover.


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Originally posted by Insignificant Tick Insignificant Tick wrote:

Don't get it.
So you have a load of injuries and your team loses, so what ?
Do you really feel the need to say " ahh, but we would have beaten you with a full squad" ?
And if you win, again, so what ? Bragging rights ???? Has any supporter such an empty life that a win on a Saturday makes everything all right with the world and a loss makes the outlook that much gloomier ? Is your self image that fragile as to have it shaped by the outcome of a level 5 rugby match ?
Injuries or no injuries just get on and support & encourage the players that have stepped up as it can be a demoralising place to be if supporters bang on about injuries, leaving the selected players in no doubt that they are just keeping the shirt warm waiting for the injured guys to recover.

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Bang on, no idea how many players we have used this year.. over 40 in the first team.  We've won some games we might have lost and we've lost a few we might have won.  Most teams vary week in week out, and thats probably why the league is so open this year. 

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Think all teams get injuries, but this season it does seem more (or maybe its just better reported). When teams do get injuries, it is up to the players who step up to make the shirt their own. With Dorking, they do seem to trust the youth which can only be a good thing for the club in the future. The young players need to start somewhere and often it is injuries which open the doors for them. It then depends on the player if they go on to cement their position 

Squad depth is important and all teams probably use 30-40 players a season. The league isnt won by the first 15... 


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There's a number of posts on the Level 6 thread about the impact of injuries in London One South this season.
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Westcliff had a good year with injuries last year with only two real long term injuries. This year we haven’t quite had the same luck and gone through about 30 players in the 1st team of which all but 3 have come through the youth system.

In a way it is a good thing to give exposure of first team rugby to that many as everyone is correct in saying that depth is the key at this level and it can only stand us in good stead for years to come.

Having 45 to training though like someone mentions at Sidcup is only something I can imagine. I will be going along tonight and may have a few place kicks at goal and hope for a 5v5 game of touch. Merry Xmas!
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Originally posted by dummyH dummyH wrote:

Think all teams get injuries, but this season it does seem more (or maybe its just better reported). When teams do get injuries, it is up to the players who step up to make the shirt their own. With Dorking, they do seem to trust the youth which can only be a good thing for the club in the future. The young players need to start somewhere and often it is injuries which open the doors for them. It then depends on the player if they go on to cement their position 

Squad depth is important and all teams probably use 30-40 players a season. The league isnt won by the first 15... 
 Well said DummyH. At least you seem to have grasped the thread of what I was trying to say and establish, unlike some others. I have never complained about my clubs performances, and to the contrary I have always been proud of them. They take their opportunities however they are presented. The natural progresssion through Youth and Junior sections is strong even though the raw ability and development has yet to be fully achieved. As for some comments some say famous last words.!! or there but for the grace of god etc etc.  
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