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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Remember Izal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 16:43
I may wrong but there are other issues at play here which may be nothing to do with geographical location  but more to do with miles in relation to travel distance to all the other clubs in the league. I assume that someone has a clever google map to sort that one out. 
No doubt the boys from Stourbridge or is that the NCA will sort it when the time comes.


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Originally posted by Tiger Dome 2 Tiger Dome 2 wrote:


Redruth ..... 4 hours 40 minutes in a car so 5:30 on a bus ish
Taunton ....... similar 

Not quite sure on your route from Sheffield but Taunton to Redruth is about 2 hours.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 17:21
The clever tool is google maps. Which has tools for this sort of problem. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 18:05
Originally posted by Member728 Member728 wrote:

<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Hinckley  have already played in Nat2 South  already and will have some exemption </span>


As have Broadstreet, more recently - anyone know how long befor a team gets shunted again?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 18:07
Originally posted by Tiger Dome 2 Tiger Dome 2 wrote:

Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

I get what you're saying Tiger Dome but my point is you could ALL have to head south (or is next in line Chester or Wharfedale or Otley)


To be honest I would welcome it.

I have watched a lot of National 2 South in the last 3 years and think we would possibly be in the top 3 with maybe even promotion on the cards. 

We would win all our home games as the cold would just destroy most teams ........ Have you ever been to Dore More ????? And pick some wins up on the road.

The only reason I say top 3 is Hinckley and Stour would also be there, so a big challenge when we meet them. 

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Is that why previous clubs who have been shunted usually struggle or are relegated?

Try a trip to Redruth, you would need 2 overnight stops I would think
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 18:10
Originally posted by Tiger Dome 2 Tiger Dome 2 wrote:

I wondered what that big clock was in the distance YT !!!!!

We have 90% of our squad signed up YT ........ The worrying thing for Hinckley is how are they going to get there boys to sign with all that travelling ? 

Redruth ..... 4 hours 40 minutes in a car so 5:30 on a bus ish
Taunton ....... similar 
That is without chucking in Guernsey

Sure the players will all hold fire to see where they are before signing ? Which could mean they lose some, or some would not find new players. 

Mind you suppose its only like National 1.



I seriously doubt Guernsey will be a factor - however if they do stay up the RFU treat Gatwick Airport as their home address.
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It isn't only a matter of distance, it's also about how you travel. When Tynedale were promoted into N1, the league also contained Mounts Bay, Redruth and Launceston from Cornwall and Blaydon who are also in No Man's Land. I know that the Redruth coach left on Friday afternoon with the players spending the night in an hotel in the Birmingham area, making a return trip to the Tyne valley on the Saturday before heading back on the Sunday and arriving in the afternoon. In the other direction, Tyne took the plane to Cornwall and were back at a sensible time on Saturday evening. I know which option I would prefer.

In N2S though, there are some long treks from the deepest darkest South West to places in Essex and Kent that are a lot longer than one might imagine from first glance. Some careful studying of maps is essential and better than jumping to conclusions.
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Originally posted by Hexhamshire Lad Hexhamshire Lad wrote:

It isn't only a matter of distance, it's also about how you travel. When Tynedale were promoted into N1, the league also contained Mounts Bay, Redruth and Launceston from Cornwall and Blaydon who are also in No Man's Land. I know that the Redruth coach left on Friday afternoon with the players spending the night in an hotel in the Birmingham area, making a return trip to the Tyne valley on the Saturday before heading back on the Sunday and arriving in the afternoon. In the other direction, Tyne took the plane to Cornwall and were back at a sensible time on Saturday evening. I know which option I would prefer.

In N2S though, there are some long treks from the deepest darkest South West to places in Essex and Kent that are a lot longer than one might imagine from first glance. Some careful studying of maps is essential and better than jumping to conclusions.


Compared the distances for B&S, Stourbridge and Peterborough last summer - Stourbridge was a couple of hundred miles extra than B&S with Peterborough even further.

Hence B&S got the gig.

As suggested, this season could be even worse with 2 or 3 possible transfers.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oldman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 20:16
will Birmingham Moseley be part of the equation? Given the number of clubs in the SW Could they  go south?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 20:23
If you are transferred and then go home you are entitled to two seasons at home before being transferred again - but only if not promoted or relegated. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 21:09
Might be different in National Leagues but my understanding is that at the end of each season every club is hypothetically returned to their home region. You cannot be level transferred if you've been relegated (unless you apply of course but why would you) Promoted yes but relegated no!
Its no use any of us looking at the maps and saying "X" club is further south than club "Y"
It's about the potential mileage incurred travelling to your 15 away games and whichever club is the lowest it will be them heading south.The RFU actually specify which software is used in these calculations. I think it maybe Autoroute but I could be wrong
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote backrowb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 2019 at 23:07
From this seasons regs...... as I read it

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.englandrugby.com/mm/Document/General/General/01/32/72/34/RFURegulation13_English.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiqrYvIw9_gAhXl1-AKHXb2DL4QFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3XCoyz_M3GrvemUKinFpPe

Note: This Regulation applies whether a Club has remained in the
League following the Season or has been promoted or relegated into
it pursuant to Regulation 13.2.11 (b
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Mar 2019 at 09:48
What Backrowb said.

The word to search for are level Transfer.

Everyone is initially placed in the correct league geographically.
All the numbers correct - wonderful.

Then you work out the number of moves required
Ask for volunteers.
Wait for the deafining silence

Get google to give you the list of milages - if you have a database of locations and a few lines of code this takes seconds.

Tell the club who will have least travel in the new leage that they are swapping.

In exceptional circumstances do something clever.

Note distance in the league with too many teams is not a factor.

When you haver sorted level 4 repeat for levels 5,6 and 7.

Level 8 and below are played in the CB - with numbers corrected by alterning the number of sides being promoted or relegated.


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We could have a Nat1 North and South with a cup final for promotion to the Championship, it might reduce the problem, then draw a line through the Watford Gap service station as the border...…………..
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Thank goodness no-one knows where Wharfedale is!
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If it means I don't have to go to Dour More, I will go south.
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Originally posted by yorkshirestour yorkshirestour wrote:


If it means I don't have to go to Dour More, I will go south.
Wouldn't be the first time I have 'ventured down South' Quote - Alan Partridge


Be careful what you wish for my friend, it could mean you stop coming to glorious East Yorkshire 😢
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote yorkshirestour Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Mar 2019 at 11:04
Originally posted by Puli. Puli. wrote:

Originally posted by yorkshirestour yorkshirestour wrote:


If it means I don't have to go to Dour More, I will go south.
Wouldn't be the first time I have 'ventured down South' Quote - Alan Partridge


Be careful what you wish for my friend, it could mean you stop coming to glorious East Yorkshire 😢
I think if I recall you might owe me a pint, if it isn't with Stourbridge (as it will be) I will be up to watch you smash the onions
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Well done Yorkshirestour, keep on fishing!
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Originally posted by yorkshirestour yorkshirestour wrote:

If it means I don't have to go to Dour More, I will go south.
Wouldn't be the first time I have 'ventured down South' Quote - Alan Partridge

Well he has caught one here .... Dour More ....... Dour Bloody More ...... have you seen the 360 degrees panoramic views, the open wood fire and the beautiful Steak and ale pie ?????? Ah no you wont have as you are a fair weather HOME supporter !!!! 

Leave the graceful plastic of Dourbridge and you get a nose bleed, which is probably why you don't care what league you are in !!!!!

The lovely accent of "Yam Yam" is still ringing in my ears from that bloody announcer down at Dourbridge, not entirely sure the Southern contingent would be able to understand him ...... Mrs O had to translate for me !!!!
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