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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Prem Academy players generally go out on loans to Nat1 & Nat2 clubs. Actual adademy teams play about six fixtures a year so it's left to the Nat League clubs to hone their match day skills. Again it's just pampering to the Prem clubs once more but there's always enough takers in N1 & N2
Result - very little organic growth within N1 & N2 as full up with loan players
There is also the ridiculous scenario of Academy players spending a month here then a month there and often playing AGAINST the team they were playing FOR a few weeks earlier
Not good in my opinion


N2 teams Can only play 4 per game - unlike the ridiculous 10 per game at higher level - hardly 'full up'
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2019 at 19:48
Stand corrected but still too many and just kow-towing to the big boys
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2019 at 20:27
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Stand corrected but still too many and just kow-towing to the big boys


I think you will find the norm is 2 - they will normally be local lads of 18-19 who otherwise wouldn't get a game of rugby.

The answer would be to limit the number of Academy players the Premier clubs can sign, leaving these young players at a lower level happy to play without having their heads turned only to have the dreams shattered a couple of years later when they don't make the grade.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 09:33
That's an odd way to look at it, given the chance I would have snapped up the chance to work in the best environment and learn as much as I could and achieve whatever my best would be, life tends to find it's own level after that.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 10:56
Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

That's an odd way to look at it, given the chance I would have snapped up the chance to work in the best environment and learn as much as I could and achieve whatever my best would be, life tends to find it's own level after that.


My point is that a number of talented youngsters are hoovered up into the Academies fail to make the top grade and either cascade back down the levels or in many cases get disillusioned and are lost to Rugby altogether.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2019 at 11:40
Think I agree with both of you. The last time I checked the Prem clubs received circa £3500 from the RFU for each lad they took in to their Academies so in their interests to take as many as possible (hence the term "hoover up" used by Raider999). To then only give them maybe 6 games a season and then spend the rest of their time pumping iron or on the training paddock suggests to me they (the young players) are not really getting a good deal
They are then loaned out primarily to Nat1 clubs, presumably at a cost, which then brings in more revenue for the Prem clubs
I'm afraid its football all over again - how many young kids go through the ManU academy before you find that 1 gem? Thousands no doubt
On the counter side (and in agreement with Tigerburnie) what parent wouldn't want their lad to have that experience even if the odds of making the grade at Prem level are 1000/1 at best. Having their expectations built up so much only to fail to make the top level is why so many drop out of the game never to return
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Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

Originally posted by Senile Said Rick Senile Said Rick wrote:

Just had a PM from a club stalwart who assures me that there is no formal link with Wasps !

That being the case - Caldy Favourites For Nat Two North

No chance it has to be Hinckley/Stourbridge/Fylde/Huddersfield/Chester/or another team

How could it ever be Caldy again they only have a wooden shack and cupboard full of assorted pot noodles.

Don't be making Caldy favourites SSR it just doesn't feel right..........

..............as some character in Poldark used to say "It ain't right Rick, it ain't right Rick"
Don't forget the Belly Pork rolls and fabulous views over West England, or as some choose to call it - Wales.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wigwam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 12:54

"They are then loaned out primarily to Nat1 clubs, presumably at a cost, which then brings in more revenue for the Prem clubs"
 
 
 
 
 
Unless something has changed the Nat 1 / 2 clubs do not pay for loanees. The loanees contract is with their parent club. Although some clubs may elect to pay the loanee a match day fee.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Aug 2019 at 16:19
Interestingly the girls game is doing it differently

The Tyrells teams had to agree to run a Centre of Excellence as part of the original 3 yr franchise deal. The U18 county coaches put fwd girls who they think have potential (that is u16 + colts in boys equivalence)
Trials are held by the CofE's and the girls (a max of 35 each) are offered places but they are purely training facilities doing a couple of evenings a month plus a Saturday - they do not play any games other than those in the England TDG trials, all games are with their original home clubs who they continue to be reg'd with and play for.

Last year all CofE's were allocated by postcode area but this year has seen a bit more flex, with Quins/Wasps & Richmond holding a single joint trials and asking girls to rank CofE preference as one trains Tue, one Wed & one Thu so the girls can fit around life/club training
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