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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:




Both the above have the ability to be extended to Premiership size in the future.


Certainly looks to be room for expansion at Coventry - the aerial view shows the potential of the site well, much better than when you are actually there.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Feb 2019 at 23:39
There are far better schematics available of the mooted expansion of the Butts. Nothing nailed down yet though.
Potentially there's enough room for a fairly big stand opposite the existing one, and more at each end, with apartments built in at the Butts Road end.
Discussions with developers are said to be at a fairly advanced stage.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Feb 2019 at 23:42
This article gives an idea of the planned developments. Couple of schematics included, but it's all under discussion at the moment, and no plans have been lodged.

https://www.pitchcare.com/news-media/coventry-rugby-club.html




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I think this has been on here before, but this is one proposal for Bedford - creates a 10k capacity and part financed by building flats down two sides.

Now that the old workhouse at the top end has burnt down, there might be more opportunities.  The site is council owned (I think) and carries covenants on usage, and it would still require financial backing...

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So none of these have been built or in some cases got planning consent? Bear in mind that one Premiership club plays at a 2nd Division Rugby League ground.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2019 at 07:51
Originally posted by Peter_B Peter_B wrote:

So none of these have been built or in some cases got planning consent? Bear in mind that one Premiership club plays at a 2nd Division Rugby League ground.


Don't know if this was your intention Peter, but this comes across rather as if you're trying to warn off ambitious Championship clubs, a sort of "leave this to us, boys, you're playing with fire" message...

It's certainly a tough challenge to get into the Prem and get established, with the necessary facilities, and there are both shining examples (like Exeter) and danger signs (like London Welsh). But should clubs be denied the right to give it their best shot?

Of the examples quoted above, I believe Pirates' project has all necessary permissions and should start soon once the final funding hurdle's been cleared. Cov seem to be very active in exploring their options, particularly since they only achieved promotion back to the Championship last year. The Bedford proposal is more of a 'back-burner' one, it seems, but it's their prerogative to bide their time and reserve the right to have a go at some stage in the future when/if they judge the time to be right.
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Peter_B Peter_B wrote:

So none of these have been built or in some cases got planning consent? Bear in mind that one Premiership club plays at a 2nd Division Rugby League ground.


Don't know if this was your intention Peter, but this comes across rather as if you're trying to warn off ambitious Championship clubs, a sort of "leave this to us, boys, you're playing with fire" message...

It's certainly a tough challenge to get into the Prem and get established, with the necessary facilities, and there are both shining examples (like Exeter) and danger signs (like London Welsh). But should clubs be denied the right to give it their best shot?

Of the examples quoted above, I believe Pirates' project has all necessary permissions and should start soon once the final funding hurdle's been cleared. Cov seem to be very active in exploring their options, particularly since they only achieved promotion back to the Championship last year. The Bedford proposal is more of a 'back-burner' one, it seems, but it's their prerogative to bide their time and reserve the right to have a go at some stage in the future when/if they judge the time to be right.
 
I would also say that Ealing have building ongoing at the moment to add thousands of additional seats to come up to Super League standards, and the new stands are of impressive size if poor positioning.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote OldNick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2019 at 08:35
Islander - I read it much the same way. 

If people are interestedf in plans for the Coventry development, this interview given by the Coventry chairman, Jon Sharp to the rugby paper is the most recent information available. It's a fairly short piece, but it features one of the architect's impressions  which gives a good impression of the style of development. 

If you know the site, the impression is drawn from the current chnaging rooms corner, looking towards the Butts Road end of the ground (ie withther railway behind the artist). Keyt to it is the fairly managable sized end stand, withth significant income generating building behind it, on the current front car park.

In case you're worried about car parking being lost, there is a decent sized ans outside office hours underused multi storey car park already next door to the ground next to the Land Registry offices at the current turnstile corner of the ground.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2019 at 13:37
Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Peter_B Peter_B wrote:

So none of these have been built or in some cases got planning consent? Bear in mind that one Premiership club plays at a 2nd Division Rugby League ground.


Don't know if this was your intention Peter, but this comes across rather as if you're trying to warn off ambitious Championship clubs, a sort of "leave this to us, boys, you're playing with fire" message...

It's certainly a tough challenge to get into the Prem and get established, with the necessary facilities, and there are both shining examples (like Exeter) and danger signs (like London Welsh). But should clubs be denied the right to give it their best shot?

Of the examples quoted above, I believe Pirates' project has all necessary permissions and should start soon once the final funding hurdle's been cleared. Cov seem to be very active in exploring their options, particularly since they only achieved promotion back to the Championship last year. The Bedford proposal is more of a 'back-burner' one, it seems, but it's their prerogative to bide their time and reserve the right to have a go at some stage in the future when/if they judge the time to be right.

 
I would also say that Ealing have building ongoing at the moment to add thousands of additional seats to come up to Super League standards, and the new stands are of impressive size if poor positioning.


The current positions of the two small stands are both very temporary. The new stand goes between those two.....wait for it !.

It will all make sense very soon.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2019 at 14:17

[/QUOTE]The current positions of the two small stands are both very temporary. The new stand goes between those two.....wait for it !.

It will all make sense very soon. [/QUOTE]
 
Ahh...I saw people in the stands for the Broncos game, so I thought that that might actually be the final layout (or that there might be another stand being sandwiched in still).
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Originally posted by Dave the Dog Dave the Dog wrote:

I think this has been on here before, but this is one proposal for Bedford - creates a 10k capacity and part financed by building flats down two sides.

Now that the old workhouse at the top end has burnt down, there might be more opportunities.  The site is council owned (I think) and carries covenants on usage, and it would still require financial backing...


Presumably this redevelopment would mean that the pitch gets levelled, which may well be a requirement for the Premiership, but would take away some of the fun of watching matches at Goldington Road!
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Not only levelled but rotated 90 degrees so that they can it can be laid out full size with 10m in-goal areas and 5m gap before the boards.

Google says the current pitch is slightly smaller at 98m x 68m with 5m in-goal but does not have the 5m space that is desirable.
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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

There are far better schematics available of the mooted expansion of the Butts. Nothing nailed down yet though.
Potentially there's enough room for a fairly big stand opposite the existing one, and more at each end, with apartments built in at the Butts Road end.
Discussions with developers are said to be at a fairly advanced stage.

I have never seen this type of construction with residential so close to a stand of a few thousand people. The noise of such a large crowd so close to residential can not be acceptable in my opinion.

The Architects proposals for the Bedford development are far superior and very detailed. These `schematics` are very poor in quality and would never be acceptable in a planning application.
 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Feb 2019 at 12:38
Well, thanks for your opinion, 7.
Ah, so the people who intend to rent/buy these apartments will obviously be shown round on a non-activity day with the blinds kept firmly shut I guess? That'll fool them. Just like the several hundred who bought/rented the expensive 'over 50s' type apartments that run along the eastern boundary of the site and overlooking the pitch I suppose. I'm sure the extra few yards buffer makes a huge amount of difference to their quality of life.
I'll be sure that the CCC Planning people are kept fully appraised of your concerns when the 'actual' planning application is submitted.

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So none of these have been built or in some cases got planning consent? Bear in mind that one Premiership club plays at a 2nd Division Rugby League ground.
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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Well, thanks for your opinion, 7.
Ah, so the people who intend to rent/buy these apartments will obviously be shown round on a non-activity day with the blinds kept firmly shut I guess? That'll fool them. Just like the several hundred who bought/rented the expensive 'over 50s' type apartments that run along the eastern boundary of the site and overlooking the pitch I suppose. I'm sure the extra few yards buffer makes a huge amount of difference to their quality of life.
I'll be sure that the CCC Planning people are kept fully appraised of your concerns when the 'actual' planning application is submitted.

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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Well, thanks for your opinion, 7.
Ah, so the people who intend to rent/buy these apartments will obviously be shown round on a non-activity day with the blinds kept firmly shut I guess? That'll fool them. Just like the several hundred who bought/rented the expensive 'over 50s' type apartments that run along the eastern boundary of the site and overlooking the pitch I suppose. I'm sure the extra few yards buffer makes a huge amount of difference to their quality of life.
I'll be sure that the CCC Planning people are kept fully appraised of your concerns when the 'actual' planning application is submitted.



I have never seen residential that close to a stadium where it is actually integral to the stadium construction .Are there any other examples where this exist ?. You said there are much better `schematics` than I posted, is there a link to these drawings. The aerial view I posted showed the surrounding area. There seemed to be large areas of waste land suitable for residential development away from the new stadium proposal.

I have no concerns on the Coventry proposal and only observations and would support any stadium for Rugby Union. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2019 at 08:57
The pictures you've referred to have been around for some considerable time, and are merely early sketches to give an impression of what could be done. No more.
Why would the club or the architect or the developer release actual planning material before it goes to CCC for planning consideration?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2019 at 09:19
Originally posted by Peter_B Peter_B wrote:

So none of these have been built or in some cases got planning consent? Bear in mind that one Premiership club plays at a 2nd Division Rugby League ground.


You made the same point at a similar time of day a few days ago, and then declined to respond to the points made in return. So, at the risk of repeating myself...

Don't know if this was your intention Peter, but this comes across rather as if you're trying to warn off ambitious Championship clubs, a sort of "leave this to us, boys, you're playing with fire" message...

It's certainly a tough challenge to get into the Prem and get established, with the necessary facilities, and there are both shining examples (like Exeter) and danger signs (like London Welsh). But should clubs be denied the right to give it their best shot?

Of the examples quoted above, I believe Pirates' project has all necessary permissions and should start soon once the final funding hurdle's been cleared. Cov seem to be very active in exploring their options, particularly since they only achieved promotion back to the Championship last year. The Bedford proposal is more of a 'back-burner' one, it seems, but it's their prerogative to bide their time and reserve the right to have a go at some stage in the future when/if they judge the time to be right.
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