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    Posted: 06 Jan 2019 at 17:03
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Still rumbling on.....
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2017-18: London Irish - Relegated. Three wins and 19 losses
2016-17: Bristol - Relegated. Three wins and 19 losses
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2014-15: London Welsh - Relegated. Lost all 22 league games
2013-14: Newcastle - Stayed up. Three wins and 19 losses (finished 11th out of 12)
2012-13: London Welsh - Relegated. Five wins and 17 losses
2011-12: Worcester - Stayed up. Seven wins, one draw and 14 losses (finished 10th out of 12)
2010-11: Exeter - Stayed up. 10 wins and 12 losses (finished 8th out of 12)


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan 2019 at 06:52
The Ruck podcast (times) spent about 3 minutes orangesging off Ealing today using two year old attendance figures. Pretty unimpressed.
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There is talk of a CVC takeover of the Premiership with no relegation with immediate effect !

Similar to their takeover of formula one.
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

There is talk of a CVC takeover of the Premiership with no relegation with immediate effect !

Similar to their takeover of formula one.

Not quite straight forward, though. There will be a fight against this and it will be a minefield.
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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

There is talk of a CVC takeover of the Premiership with no relegation with immediate effect !

Similar to their takeover of formula one.


Where have you seen that?

They have only purchased a minority share (27% I believe) so are not in a position to force anything through.
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I love the fact that the "Owners" of these Premiership clubs are bemoaning how much they have lost since professionalism.
 
I guarantee as successful business people they have all been busy writing off these losses against the profits of their other business, so paying little if any tax while indulging their sporting passion!
 
 
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As I've expressed many times, the only reason that these successful businessmen continue deficit funding at their toys is BECAUSE of the threat of relegation.

The moment that the threat of relegation ceases they'll cut back their playing budgets both in squad size and standard of player reducing the quality of rugby on show

Should you believe anything else is motivating their behaviour might I ask if you'd be interested a building plot with beach front access to the Sea Of Tranquility
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Rugby could go the way of professional wrestling.The team names already have in some cases.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

There is talk of a CVC takeover of the Premiership with no relegation with immediate effect !

Similar to their takeover of formula one.


Where have you seen that?

They have only purchased a minority share (27% I believe) so are not in a position to force anything through.

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Emboldened by the financial backing, the elite clubs are pressing for the immediate scrapping of relegation from the top division — although the RFU remain resolute in their refusal to countenance such a drastic shifting of the goalposts mid-season.
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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

There is talk of a CVC takeover of the Premiership with no relegation with immediate effect !

Similar to their takeover of formula one.


Where have you seen that?

They have only purchased a minority share (27% I believe) so are not in a position to force anything through.


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<span style="font-family: graphik, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; letter-spacing: -0.16px;">Emboldened by the financial backing, the elite clubs are pressing for the immediate scrapping of relegation from the top division — although the RFU remain resolute in their refusal to countenance such a drastic shifting of the goalposts mid-season.</span>


It wouldn't be the first time would it? I seem to remember they did move the goalposts one season. Cant remember the details... anyone?
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Ring fencing is so unsportsmanlike. It turns the sport into a circus turn and I do hope the money men don’t get their way . Even football has relegation.
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Originally posted by Woody Woody wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

There is talk of a CVC takeover of the Premiership with no relegation with immediate effect !

Similar to their takeover of formula one.


Where have you seen that?

They have only purchased a minority share (27% I believe) so are not in a position to force anything through.


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<span style="font-family: graphik, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; letter-spacing: -0.16px;">Emboldened by the financial backing, the elite clubs are pressing for the immediate scrapping of relegation from the top division — although the RFU remain resolute in their refusal to countenance such a drastic shifting of the goalposts mid-season.</span>


It wouldn't be the first time would it? I seem to remember they did move the goalposts one season. Cant remember the details... anyone?


Think you may mean the last year of the old nat 1. Dropped the league from 16 to 12.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Talking Flag Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 09:37
I think he means the year they introduced the play offs for relegation and promotion from the Champoionship (as it is now, Nat 1 then).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 10:41
That's right. Clubs kicked off the season in Aug 2008 expecting 2 teams to be relegated. Then in November that was increased to 5! Confused Not sure if RM was going back then, but if so I imagine there was some lively discussion...

Wikipedia background below - I think it's accurate:

On 10 November 2008 it was proposed by the Rugby Football Union that the second tier of the English rugby union system should be a fully professional twelve club Championship. The proposal was criticised by the then National League One chairman Geoff Irvine, representing the clubs, who described it as "financial suicide", although, six League One clubs subsequently supported the proposal. The proposals required five clubs to be relegated to National Division Two, with only one club being promoted from that division and one club joining the league from the Premiership.[2] On 15 November 2008 the RFU Council voted overwhelmingly in favour of the new proposal, which began in September 2009.[3] Under the proposal the RFU paid £2.3 million a year to help fund the change, with future rises due through television rights.[2]
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 11:14
And conversely National 2 clubs expected two promotion slots
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Bath seem to be the Club leading the campaign for Ring-fencing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jan 2019 at 15:19
Originally posted by stadium stadium wrote:

Bath seem to be the Club leading the campaign for Ring-fencing.
 
And at the moment, Ealing seem to be the club leading the campaign against it. Ben Ward is on Sky Sports Rugby podcast today speaking against it, and he has been interviewed on the topic by the BBC today as well (broadcast date not set yet).
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I suppose Mr Craig wants to protect his toy.
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