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    Posted: 17 Aug 2021 at 17:30
Haywards Heath RFC have just confirmed they are withdrawing from London 1 South, which will now be a 13 team league for the season ahead. Here's hoping Heath are able to compete again in the rejigged leagues next season. Suspect the pandemic may yet hit a few more clubs/teams and it could take some seasons for playing numbers to recover (if indeed they do). 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2021 at 17:53
They did it again?! That's the second time in a decade they have done that. Back to Sussex 1 for them then. 

On edit: After having had my rant and gone to check it out, there's no official announcement of that on their website. Are you sure?


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Yes.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Scrumtime Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2021 at 19:36
Originally posted by DICKON DICKON wrote:

Haywards Heath RFC have just confirmed they are withdrawing from London 1 South, which will now be a 13 team league for the season ahead. Here's hoping Heath are able to compete again in the rejigged leagues next season. Suspect the pandemic may yet hit a few more clubs/teams and it could take some seasons for playing numbers to recover (if indeed they do). 

I hear there are 2 clubs at National 2 level  that are thinking about withdrawing for a season and another In Nat 2 South that have said if they cannot afford to travel they will not. 

There is one side In Ldn Se Prem that have already told Kent they do nit have enough front rowers and may lead to them pulling games.

Interesting times ahead!




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2021 at 19:51
If they withdraw for a season, or fail to fulfil fixtures, will they resume at the bottom of the pyramid - or is there some special dispensation for this season?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Welshie7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2021 at 19:57
Is it not at the discretion of the CB….I.e. they could play at the highest league not administered by the Divisional committee? So in this case Sussex 2?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Maroon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2021 at 20:10
There is a new RFU Regulation dealing with Covid issue - Regulation 22.

The relevant section is printed below.

The full regulation can be found at on the RFU Regulations section


Reg 22
Match Management Covid-19 Variations 

The following match management Covid-19 variations will apply to such competitions as identified in RFU Regulation 22: 

1. Withdrawing from the league: In the event that a club does not wish or no longer wishes to play in the league for the 21-22 season, the club must inform the RFU in writing as soon as possible by completing a Covid-19 Declaration, which must include a rationale as to why it no longer wishes to participate. Upon receipt of the Covid-19 Declaration, the following will apply:

       i. In respect of the Community Leagues, if the RFU approves such withdrawal from the league the club will be placed at the bottom of that league for the remainder of the season and the principles of promotion and relegation will apply accordingly; 

     ii. In respect of the Professional Competitions, the RFU will determine the position of the club for the following season. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2021 at 20:56
I believe Manchester stated last week at Lancashire's CB AGM that they would not be travelling to IOM to play Douglas as they have no way of getting there and back the same day (RFU fund Squad Travel only)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2021 at 23:52
Manchester have been to Douglas before, but it does look like there are fewer options this season due to covid.

The central travel funding for journeys like that has been pitiful for years and keeps being cut.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Scrumtime Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2021 at 07:05
I am sorry to say I think this is the start.

Im told there are 2 clubs in National 2 (one in each league) that are thinking about withdrawing for a season as well as 1 in London Prem.





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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2021 at 08:10
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

They did it again?! That's the second time in a decade they have done that. Back to Sussex 1 for them then. 

On edit: After having had my rant and gone to check it out, there's no official announcement of that on their website. Are you sure?
The League Secretary has emailed the other clubs in the league to notify them, so yes, we're sure.
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Originally posted by Maroon Maroon wrote:

i. In respect of the Community Leagues, if the RFU approves such withdrawal from the league the club will be placed at the bottom of that league for the remainder of the season and the principles of promotion and relegation will apply accordingly

And yet the regulations regarding promotion published yesterday state that there will be no relegation from Level Six, so they would effectively retain their place for next season.  Don't shoot the messenger!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Oldman1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2021 at 08:36
Mark W-J does the no relegation rule apply next season due to the reorganisation of the leagues due in 2022?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Scrumtime Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2021 at 08:47
Yes and its also because of the adding of 2nd xv's to the RFU leagues.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2021 at 09:20
So combining a reorganization that eliminates any relegation this season, with changing the regulations means the only sanction for not fulfilling games is missing out on a possible promotion, which the club may well feel it was not going to achieve.

One does have to ask, does the RFU actually know what it is doing?

I do have sympathy for Manchester and for Douglas and the other Manx clubs, as it does look impossible to do the trip in a day in September. By October, it looks like the second flight to Liverpool starts running
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DICKON Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2021 at 09:33
I would hope the RFU will take a very close look at any withdrawal before deciding on where a club will be placed in the reorg. I don't think its a given any club withdrawing will retain its level. It would not be a great look to reprieve such a club then see them get spanked week on week in the re-organised league the following season.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2021 at 09:51
Originally posted by Oldman1 Oldman1 wrote:

Mark W-J does the no relegation rule apply next season due to the reorganisation of the leagues due in 2022?
That's right - three up with no relegation confirmed at Level 6, and possibly more from individual leagues depending upon the re-org of the Championship and more withdrawals further up the pyramid.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sir_Q Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2021 at 09:57
I think this will set a precedent and I fear more will follow, although i'm not entirely sure how I feel about it. On the one hand If clubs are hanging on by a thread, genuinely due to the impact of Covid then is it right they should be further punished by pushing them to the bottom of the league pyramid and potentially into oblivion? What would people think of the RFU if they proceeded to "kick a man when he's down"
If allowing them a stay of execution in order to sort their stuff out and start afresh in the new look structure in 22/23 means that we have less clubs disappearing isn't that the right thing to do?. 
Haywards heath and OE's currently will potentially benefit from regulation 22 if their predicaments are attributed to Covid19.

On the other hand, lots of clubs are struggling for finances and for players, so many have retired due to the enforced break but clubs are managing to work with the players they have retained/recruited and with the budgets they have got. Clubs taking a year out won't be able to provide players with regular, decent standard rugby and will without doubt struggle to recruit for the following season under those conditions,  therefore is by allowing them to stay in the same league simply delaying the inevitable and maybe denying a team from the league below a promotion? 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2021 at 12:23
I can see both points of view. A compromise is a club in such a position should go down one league the following season. This gives an additional opportunity to the teams in the league below to gain promotion and also allows the club in question some breathing space at probably a more appropriate level of the pyramid than at the bottom
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2021 at 13:07
The new RFU Insolvency Regulation sees a Club suffering such an event, but still fulfilling fixtures, automatically relegated one level. OEs and HH have not said this is insolvency, they have just withdrawn their 1st XVs so they will need to start again wherever the LSE Division Competitions Committees and CB Committees determine.
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