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toumz
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Topic: View what Andre Bester has to say on RotherhamPosted: 28 Jul 2010 at 17:33 |
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http://www.radiowaves.co.uk/story/151729/title/FavouriteMemoriesExcitingFuture
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Hexhamshire Lad
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Posted: 28 Jul 2010 at 18:01 |
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I'm sure it is very interesting, but those good people who waste their time on the Championship pages might find it more relevant
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Posted: 28 Jul 2010 at 19:01 |
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rotherhamtillidie
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Posted: 28 Jul 2010 at 20:07 |
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hexamshire lad. Give em a break, its just kids at a youth project....
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titan
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Posted: 28 Jul 2010 at 20:57 |
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The video highlights the work of the Titans Try line centre and the sterling work it does in a deprived area of South Yorkshire,an area which will continue to struggle as the Conlibs have no apparent interest in supporting it (Sheffield Steelmasters).Many of the players also gain much needed income whilst doing community work under its auspices.
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thomas snr
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 08:43 |
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players also off balance sheet!!
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phoenixcoach
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 08:54 |
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Tea Ticket
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 09:42 |
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For those with longer memories, this programme essentially saved Rotherham. They were days away from going bust and were saved by the local council, based on their community work. They didn't play on the first saturday of the season, as they hadn't put the necessary plans in place, but got it together and have stayed in The Championship.
Their community work is valuable and they work successfully with children excluded from school.
If you look at all the other National League clubs, most are based in nice 'middle class' suburbs and market towns. Those in urban areas, with the social problems which that brings, can play a vital role at the centre of their community.
Rugby has always been a generous sport. Long may it continue.
If a club can fill the gap and help young people with issues, support it !
(I am now agreeing with people from Rotherham, as well as Wharfedale. It is when someone from Doncaster says something that I agree with - that is when I will really start to worry !)
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 10:03 |
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Pheonixcoach and Teaticket have both hit the nail on the head. The community work as displayed in this video is at the heart of clubs such as Rotherham where they don't simply play lip service to their social responsibilities - it's a reality.
Having an academy and a mini and juniors section is all very well and might get a few ticks in the boxes from the RFU but I think this is a great example of a club that is truly part of the wider community.
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Tea Ticket
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 14:17 |
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Every club can't do it all and in Rotherham there is the need to have positive roll models for troubled youngsters, who aren't compatible with mainsteam education.
We are all too often snobs about this - if a middle class child, with a supportive family has issues, he is 'highly strung' , 'sensitive' etc. If they come from a one parent family, on benefits from a sink estate, they are 'disruptive' and 'uncontrollable'.
(After being on several rugby tours, my understanding of 'normal respectable behaviour' has been coloured somewhat !)
In other areas there is a different need - to replace specialist sports coaching in schools, where it has been traditionally left to the goodwill of teachers. In clubs with thriving junior sections, where else are c250 children, across 10 age groups going to be coached rugby skills by RFU coaches ?
The majority of clubs offer a 'whole club' approach and now there is a recognised path through the Academy Schools and Academies to progress to the National Leagues to the Premiership.
Start them young, show them the right path and keep them for life.
It is true about rugby clubs in general and certianly true of Rotherham's community work.
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thomas snr
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 16:20 |
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the real question is why government funds or quasi funds should be used, in effect to subsidise a professional rugby club. Nothing against rotherham for doing it but in straitened times is it a justifiable use of public funds.
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Blackrow
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 16:45 |
I'm not sure I'm getting thomas snr's point?
If another body can demonstrate that they can offer the same fantastic service that Titans can, and for less money (I very much doubt this), then the contact would be awarded elsewhere. But until such an organisation can/does step forward to tender for this public service contract then all we can do is salute the sterling efforts of all at Rotherham.
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Tea Ticket
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 17:05 |
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I'm with you Blackrow.
We accept that Govt money is spent on Wembley, when there is silly salaries paid to top football players. We take it on the chin that the RFU will reduce payments to National League clubs, whilst spending a fortune on some statues at Twickenham.
If a club comes up with an initiative where a rugby player has a job mentoring troubled youngsters and the council pays for it, support it. In the long run, for every child put on the right path, there are potentailly thousands saved - an education and qualifications and a job instead of benefits, possible gaol etc.
QED
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titan
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 17:09 |
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Thomas Sr,when they sign up to play for the Titans there is no guarantee of community work.Many of the young people the centre deals with are disaffected and disengaged they have had their fill of teachers,social workers and the like,they relate well to the players because they have no agenda.
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FoghornLeghorn
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 at 18:03 |
The financial savings don't necessarily accrue to rugby but to society as a whole, so there's no question of value for money. urely the project develops those that attend, the players for future useful careers and should be an RFU or similar case study - perhaps a future conditional element of Premiership & Championship funding. Every town has kids who need an alternative perspective and if rugby works then that's great.
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rotherhamtillidie
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Posted: 30 Jul 2010 at 07:34 |
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i find it hard to believe anyone would post a negative or political comment onto a thread some kid has posted, you can find reasons against doing almost anything.
Rotherham's tryline centre and community work is probably one of the best examples I have seen of sport being used as a positive role model.
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Tea Ticket
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Posted: 30 Jul 2010 at 15:12 |
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On a related point - the most common first names list is out - 'Rooney' features on it ! Some parents (and obviously a sizeable number) see football players as role models, so no wonder their children have an unrealistic view of the world.
Footballers - Petulant, play acting to get what they want and 'conning' officials, who they are openly abusive to, played in front of fruiting, aggressive fans.
Rugby - community clubs, physical game, respectful to officials, family atmosphere at matches, with mixed crowds. Shake hands at the end of the match and have a drink with your opponent.
That is why rugby players are better role models and kids will look up to them more than teachers and social workers (no matter their skill level or professionalism)
Danny Care (ex Otley junior) was a latecomer to rugby and played because his friends said that it was good fun. He says that rugby has made him the man that he is (Times article)
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