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    Posted: 14 Sep 2007 at 21:55
Are English players over coached watching the England South Africa game tonight It just seems to me that England just play by the numbers rugby which is ok but you have to have pace and be able to turn slow ball in to quick ball and it seems that all you see from a English breakdown is the ball popped out to any one of the English forwards who take the ball at a snails pace with no quick support into 1 or 2 opposition who do slow the ball down and reorganise there defence basically after watching that game(last few years really) Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr… what can English rugby do?   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2007 at 23:04
Dreadful. I do have stronger words but the swear filter just changes them into types of fruit, so the point would be lost.
 
How many coaches do we have? How many other backroom staff do we have? Far too many IMHO and none which seem to be able to get the players to play with a bit of flare.
 
As runaroundalot says, we are woefully slow at the breakdown. Maybe it is to allow ITV to sneak a commercial or two in whilst there is no action on the pitch or for the weak bladdered to nip to the loo.
 
We need to be in there quick in numbers, get the ball out even quicker and then pass the ball down the line. That's right England, down the line, not back inside where the wall of defenders eagerly await you but out into space.
 
We rarely string more than two passes together before some kicks, knocks on, runs in touch, runs in a defencer or just stops dead. If we can't do the basics right, then there is no hope at all.
 
After this tournament, England should start planning for the next two straight away. Discard the 'oldies', bring in youngsters - keep them in the team - no chopping and changing every game and return to basics - encourage flare and creativity.
 
Unless we do, England's name will not grace the WWE Trophy again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2007 at 23:36
Even when it did go down the line it went across the pitch and more often than not ended up behind the gain line
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Sep 2007 at 00:34
It is worse than that - we cannot eve get set pieces right.
Surely if they are coached they will have those basic skills.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Sep 2007 at 10:10
To be honest, that performance was embarrassing. Never in the history of the Rugby World Cup have the defending champions fallen to such lows.
 
The whole of the RFU need to take a long hard look at themselves to see what has gone wrong in the last 4 years. We have some talent, but none of it has been bought on. We have relied on "old heads" who have not come up to the mark and played a style of rugby that is reminiscent of the 70's and 80's. 2003 should have been a brave new dawn but we have been overhauled by the major nations and left behind.
 
We are a laughing stock!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Sep 2007 at 11:03

Turning back to the oldies seems to mirror the English football team and their reliance on bringing Beckham back.  See what happened when he wasnt in the last 2 games?

Maybe the same will happen when all the older players are dropped from the England rugby side and some younger players are included.
 
Brian Ashton said SA were the better side - it wasnt rocket science to see that Brian!  Maybe he, Brian Ashton, should be asking why they were better and take it from there?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Sep 2007 at 11:54
It still comes down to competition for places and our old friends Premier League. How many world cup players are comiing to the premier league after the world cup reducing the number of places available for our up and coming players. Oh and look !!!!  most of the overseas players have 2/3 year contracts which mean if they are good enough they can go home to compete for a place in the next world cup
 
They are avin a larf my son
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Sep 2007 at 12:01
At least you they won't be able to use the "We didn't get enough time together excuse" which is often troted out when we underperform.
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