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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Puli. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2019 at 12:19
Just a thought ..... I wonder if the 2nd half display by England would have been different if Ireland had beaten Wales and the chance of the 6 nations champions title was still on ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2019 at 13:23
A few thoughts:

- agree the English tendency to switch off after strong starts is very worrying. It happened three times in this 6N (Fra/Wal/Sco) and at least 4 times in 2018 (Wal/SA1/SA2/NZ). The old Woodward 'TCUP' mantra has been lost

- too late to make major changes at the top for England, just have to focus on putting it right; when we're good, we're good

- the Irish have every reason to be as downcast as England, perhaps more so in that some of their key-men may be past it. They were terrible on Saturday

- agree with Puli about scheduling, the random staggering of Super Saturday contributes to some madcap last days. 2015 was possibly the most nuts. The most fair solution would to have all Rd5 games KO at the same time. This will probably never happen as it would reduce the overall value of the 6N to TV broadcasters (only 13 slots rather than current 15); perhaps having a couple more Friday games (even tho' I dislike them) would compensate for this?

- 6N form won't be a big factor in the RWC. Even it started next month, but it's still six months away. The fact that 3 NH teams are realistic contenders, plus 2, maybe 3, from S of the equator, is exciting, plus it's on 'neutral' territory (not that I'm discounting the hosts getting some momentum into KO stages)

- the most astonishing observation I have read from anyone, anywhere, was Lawrence Dallaglio picking his Team of the 6N in the Sunday Times. His chosen half-backs were Ben Youngs and Owen Farrell - WTF! Pinch Confused
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote backrowb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2019 at 13:50
As a pundit, Dallaglio makes Andy Robinson look cheery and entertaining.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2019 at 15:42
Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

As a pundit, Dallaglio makes Andy Robinson look cheery and entertaining.

My first reaction was to wonder whether he'd made a one-off return to playing in a benefit/charity match and taken a blow to the head...

I don't think Youngs would even make my top 5 scrum-halves in the 6N. One of his box kicks in the 2nd half on Saturday, with the score tied & England just beginning to recover a bit of composure and create a little pressure, with the ball easily caught and marked by the Scottish defender, was one of the low points of my rugby-watching lifetime...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote geralltrugby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2019 at 15:46
Guscott chose Daly over Liam Williams! 😂
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2019 at 16:21
Both Guscott and Dallaglio are in line to reference their own careers first - the game has moved on.

Guardian picked Youngs and Farrell as well but if course that reflected all the games. Fact is Farrell was better in 5 games than Sexton, Allan and whoever played for Framce
Russell had a couple of good halves and Anscomb didn't play so for that long given Welsh changes. I've already commented upon Youngs but TBF who else was consistently good.

Farrell will get over it BUT England need nee scrum halves from somewhere.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2019 at 17:13
But isn’t that a sad entitlement of the whole system when the RFU pays @ small fortune to the AP for the teams plus more for the academies and there is not another adequate scum half. Before I get slaughtered I have very little if any knowledge of AP teams and take no notice of it as I find it sterile and pretty boring but again havent watched it in ages
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2019 at 17:28
In principle you certainly have a point Rabbie- I'm not sure how many Eng qualified sh at kept out by the likes of de Klerk but on the other hand it helps to play against int class on a weekly basis.

I watch the odd game live and the highlights most weeks although I don't support a particular team
There are exciting games but I've not seen many international prospects in key positions of late.

Perhaps others have a view?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2019 at 18:30
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

..... there is not another adequate scrum half
 
Well I find the thought of Ben Spencer finally in an England 6 Nations shirt quite exhilarating - perhaps a starting game will allow him to showcase his skills
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Englands performance against Ireland surprised me, the rest of tournament was what I expected, England has some great players, but they are playing by numbers(just like bragging about fitness numbers). The coaches are not good enough, write off the world cup and start again, sack all the coaching staff tomorrow and recruit English coaches who actually care about the result. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Puli. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2019 at 20:47
How quickly we have all forgotten England's 18 successive Test match wins under Eddie Jones. Yes I know we are talking about this years 6 Nations but that is not a bad record which equalled NZ's .
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2019 at 21:04
I don't think we've forgotten- just expressing some valid concerns .
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

Englands performance against Ireland surprised me, the rest of tournament was what I expected, England has some great players, but they are playing by numbers(just like bragging about fitness numbers). The coaches are not good enough, write off the world cup and start again, sack all the coaching staff tomorrow and recruit English coaches who actually care about the result. 


Quite a drastic course of action there TB. If one agrees that England have zero chance in RWC, then maybe it's the right thing to do. But as we have good players and can - on our day - deliver a performance like the one in Dublin, and given that we have more than zero chance (4/1 about the bookies' consensus) of lifting 'Bill' for the second time, why sack off RWC at this late stage? Why not give the current brigade a shot at it? If it all comes crashing down, then sackings can occur in November, and you can say that you told us so... personally, while I'm not especially bullish about our prospects, I'm not giving up on them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2019 at 10:41
This current squad of players are good, there are some very good players waiting in the wings to step up, but the current lack of ability to think on their feet and play what's in front of them means the structure and systems are faulty. Relying on this current crop of coaching staff to be able to deliver in a world cup seems to be beyond their ability, a side going into a World Cup should be on the front foot with all their problems already sorted. Looking for a shrink a few months out strikes me of someone who is clearly way out of their depth, Will Carlings "old f@rts" have messed up again.
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

This current squad of players are good, there are some very good players waiting in the wings to step up, but the current lack of ability to think on their feet and play what's in front of them means the structure and systems are faulty. Relying on this current crop of coaching staff to be able to deliver in a world cup seems to be beyond their ability, a side going into a World Cup should be on the front foot with all their problems already sorted. Looking for a shrink a few months out strikes me of someone who is clearly way out of their depth, Will Carlings "old f@rts" have messed up again.
 

I'm interested in the "very good players waiting to step up" - ok so Curry has this season but where are the young sh/flanker/fb players that we need? Are they being kept out of the Prem by overseas players?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2019 at 20:24
Can only talk about the team I've always followed, they have a blend of English and non English, always have had since the game went pro and always will. Young players will learn from top world class players. Tigers props learnt from Castrogiavanni and Ayerza, don't have a problem with that. We currently have 3 scrum halves, all English, 3 fly halves that are English. The trouble with having a lot of eq players is come the AI's and 6 nations, your side is decimated, Premiership games should be suspended during internationals the same as football does, then maybe more eq players will be about. Tigers academy have just won back to back championships, so there will be some players coming through from that. We have academy grads coming through, Owen Hills at prop and George Worth at full back are two to look out for.

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