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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2020 at 17:29
It’s looking more likely that proper rugby will not return until September. The RFU is still hopeful of getting Government approval for competitive rugby under amended laws in the early part of next year. those amended laws would remove scrums and mails but allow line-outs, tackles and rucks.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2020 at 20:52
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

It’s looking more likely that proper rugby will not return until September. The RFU is still hopeful of getting Government approval for competitive rugby under amended laws in the early part of next year. those amended laws would remove scrums and mails but allow line-outs, tackles and rucks.

People were up in arms about this new temporary/expedient 'code' - as you outline H - when it was first floated in the summer, even though the alternative was nothing. Various OTT 'over my dead body' proclamations. But now it seems, after 2.5 months (since traditional season start date) of nothing, some people are softening, with the option remaining for the diehards that it won't be compulsory to play or watch the amended code.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2020 at 21:48
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

It’s looking more likely that proper rugby will not return until September. The RFU is still hopeful of getting Government approval for competitive rugby under amended laws in the early part of next year. those amended laws would remove scrums and mails but allow line-outs, tackles and rucks.

People were up in arms about this new temporary/expedient 'code' - as you outline H - when it was first floated in the summer, even though the alternative was nothing. Various OTT 'over my dead body' proclamations. But now it seems, after 2.5 months (since traditional season start date) of nothing, some people are softening, with the option remaining for the diehards that it won't be compulsory to play or watch the amended code.

We'll just do anything to get the game on. Even if it does mean some temporary heresies.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Nov 2020 at 22:35
OK - let me throw this in - depends on the level we're talking about obviously but will players expect to be paid to play this "hybrid" version, whatever that may be?
I doubt many clubs will have the resources to make those payments and more so why would they want to do that for a meaningless chuck-about. Call me diehard if you like but I've seen or heard nothing that changes my original stance that we come back physically and financially fit next September. 


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Hopefully by September the vaccine will be seen to be having a positive effect. 
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Agree TB. Also small point that some seem to have missed. If, and its a big if the Championship does restart and with small crowds allowed how can you run a league with Promotion but no relegation? Does that create an issue?
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Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Agree TB. Also small point that some seem to have missed. If, and its a big if the Championship does restart and with small crowds allowed how can you run a league with Promotion but no relegation? Does that create an issue?
Can’t see any issue here - there is no National 1 being played this year so there will be no one to promote.
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Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Agree TB. Also small point that some seem to have missed. If, and its a big if the Championship does restart and with small crowds allowed how can you run a league with Promotion but no relegation? Does that create an issue?

are you talking about relegation from Prem to Champ?

and/or about relegation from Champ to Nat1?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2020 at 11:16
Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Agree TB. Also small point that some seem to have missed. If, and its a big if the Championship does restart and with small crowds allowed how can you run a league with Promotion but no relegation? Does that create an issue?

Not really. It would just simply work as the bottom league of the county leagues work. Top team goes up, rest of the league stays as it is barring the bottom team of the higher league dropping down.
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Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Agree TB. Also small point that some seem to have missed. If, and its a big if the Championship does restart and with small crowds allowed how can you run a league with Promotion but no relegation? Does that create an issue?
Can’t see any issue here - there is no National 1 being played this year so there will be no one to promote.

Which means  principles of promotion/relegation within the RFU Leagues no longer applies as a "constant" and therefore makes the possibility of ringfencing easier to apply.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2020 at 17:13
Cannot see there being any relegation from Championship if season does happen. National One already 16 clubs/30 league matches-madness to increase to 32 matches and an odd number of clubs in league. Promotion will have to be possible to solve the Saracens 'problem'.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2020 at 18:03
With no National 1 season there can be no promotion or relegation. But I see no reason not to have promotion and relegation between Premiership and Championship. However, promotion to the Premiership without relegation from it would leave the Championship short of teams. Which might mean the reorg, currently postponed until 22/23 season might have to happen for the 21/22 season and include the Championship.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kempstonblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2020 at 20:36
Can see the two pool Championship come in faster than planned, still the 22 league matches (as current).
Just a 14+8 format.
But, would seem weird if Division 1 remains a full National league. So another pool league 14+8;format?


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Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

Can see the two pool Championship come in faster than planned, still the 22 league matches (as current).
Just a 14+8 format.
But, would seem weird if Division 1 remains a full National league. So another pool league 14+8;format?




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 16:39
Talking of relegation, note no mention of the 'r-word' in this Leicester Mercury poll on which team will finish bottom of the 20/21 Prem:

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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Talking of relegation, note no mention of the 'r-word' in this Leicester Mercury poll on which team will finish bottom of the 20/21 Prem:

But note how the pessimistic locals (probably including several of my neighbours) are voting. They really are down on the club around here just now.

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