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I was speaking to a lad from Newcastle Uni yesterday as he and his friends were doing some fitness on the club pitches. They seem adamant that the Unis are playing again in January. 

Do they know something we don’t? Will the Unis pay for testing at BUCS Super League level?

Or are they just being optimistic that their season will still start in January?
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There is no guarantee anyone will be playing matches in January. They may well be doing rugby training. Universities are all in a very challenging financial position-i cannot see anyway they will pay for tests. More likely that when a newer test emerges over the next couple of months that is quicker than currently available and cheaper (Prem clubs being charged £100 per test at moment), say around £10, players will be asked to pay for the test themselves - same price as 3 beers at the union bar.
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Young active men should be allowed to get on with their life and play the game.
Yes there are issues around the elder element but the chances of death to the players in the age bracket of 15-34 is incredibly low.

They are more likely to get the virus in a bar or uni lecture!!

And to add to that with Pfizer and Oxford being very close with their vaccines we need to stay very positive. 

P.S. I am not in this age bracket but wish I was!!


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Sail By, I agree with you up to a point, but what happens when these young healthy lads come into contact with their parents or grandparents - who potentially aren't so healthy and pass the virus on to them??
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Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Young active men should be allowed to get on with their life and play the game.
Yes there are issues around the elder element but the chances of death to the players in the age bracket of 15-34 is incredibly low.

They are more likely to get the virus in a bar or uni lecture!!

And to add to that with Pfizer and Oxford being very close with their vaccines we need to stay very positive. 

P.S. I am not in this age bracket but wish I was!!



Everyone seems to be focussed solely on the death metric. The long term impact of having covid-19 has not been studied and having had it myself, I can tell you that, although I'm clearly alive, the breathing issues that came along with it lasted weeks after I'd recovered and even now (3-4 months on) I often find myself short of breath doing simple exercise.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeGC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 2020 at 13:00
Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Young active men should be allowed to get on with their life and play the game.
Yes there are issues around the elder element but the chances of death to the players in the age bracket of 15-34 is incredibly low.

They are more likely to get the virus in a bar or uni lecture!!

And to add to that with Pfizer and Oxford being very close with their vaccines we need to stay very positive. 

P.S. I am not in this age bracket but wish I was!!




not sure on this

It seems playing rugby with or against someone infected but asymptomatic is a pretty decent way to be sure you'll get it too, in my humble opinion.
So, fine, they won't die they might be asymptomatic themselves.
But look at the wider, community, picture.
Do they avoid going home where they might infect a parent or grandparent, immunocompromised cousin or baby niece/nephew ? And how long ? 14 days after the last match of the season ?

Far too many variables
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 2020 at 14:44
Given that the RFU are being bombarded with requests to "move on" as a lot of the armchair medical "experts" think CV-19 isn't as big as made out and "all the other sports are back...." wouldn't surprise me that on the 2nd October we'll be moving to Stage E with the hope of moving to Stage F sometime toward the end of November. Given that the R figure is going up alarmingly in some areas and nationally the trend is ever so slightly upward can someone explain the logic because I can't quite get my head around it. 

At the moment not playing is bad for the game, returning to play without fully understanding the implications could be worse for the game.
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"Arm chair medics" or professional people looking at stats and not relying on the negativity of our media?

I have a son who plays who is raring to go but then appreciates that he will have to be careful with us as his parents and more importantly his grandparents, but to be fair that is our responsibility to take on.

Look around as this virus is spreading like wildfire and rugby isn't going to make much difference....in my "Arm chair medic" view.Wink
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There seem to me to be an awful lot of professional people who are looking at the statistics and not relying on the negativity of our media who are advising extreme caution regarding returning to rugby.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 2020 at 19:38
Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

Young active men should be allowed to get on with their life and play the game.
Yes there are issues around the elder element but the chances of death to the players in the age bracket of 15-34 is incredibly low.

They are more likely to get the virus in a bar or uni lecture!!

And to add to that with Pfizer and Oxford being very close with their vaccines we need to stay very positive. 

P.S. I am not in this age bracket but wish I was!!




Article yesterday stated vaccines only likely for next winter - or in other words at least a year away.

I cannot see Rugby restarting unless a cheap, accurate and speedy test appears - need something that can be done on a Friday night and result is available within half an hour.

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Just finished reading this thread and went in to BBC news regarding new measures in the North East. Below is a cut and paste of part of that article. 

"The evidence we've found from local testing is that it's spreading in three main areas: in pubs, in people's homes and in grassroots sports," he said.


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"The evidence we've found from local testing is that it's spreading in three main areas: in pubs, in people's homes and in grassroots sports," .apart from working (if allowed/able to) what else do we do???
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 11:30
Given the current prevalence - which is is 1 i a thousand in the spikes under local lock down and much lower elsewhere - it is quite likely that no National 1 player or coach has C-19. But on the other hand, they might.

What is quite liekly is that it will become endemic - if it has not done so already - and these rates could persist for many years.

If we do not learn how to deal with it, then we may never have grass roots rugby, and of course that would mean eventually no elite rugby.

This may mean looking at speeding up the scrum.
My preference would be to have the referee give a free kick (that cannot be taken as a scrum) immediately if any front row dows not crouch correctly, and a penalty if they do not bind correctly. Then on set the scrum haldf has to put the bell in immediately.

Not onl do we reduce the C-19 risk, we would get rid of the time wasted on setting scrums.

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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Given the current prevalence - which is is 1 i a thousand in the spikes under local lock down and much lower elsewhere - it is quite likely that no National 1 player or coach has C-19. But on the other hand, they might.

What is quite liekly is that it will become endemic - if it has not done so already - and these rates could persist for many years.

If we do not learn how to deal with it, then we may never have grass roots rugby, and of course that would mean eventually no elite rugby.

This may mean looking at speeding up the scrum.
My preference would be to have the referee give a free kick (that cannot be taken as a scrum) immediately if any front row dows not crouch correctly, and a penalty if they do not bind correctly. Then on set the scrum haldf has to put the bell in immediately.

Not onl do we reduce the C-19 risk, we would get rid of the time wasted on setting scrums.



Ever since the referee took control of the scrum (supposedly for safety) the area has been a mess. Some referees seem to delight in slowing it down as much as possible, as if they are enticing one side or both to infringe.

Abolishing resets might focus the packs, with a free-kick to the offending side with no resets as you suggest.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 12:54
Camquin and Raider - I nominate you gentlemen to be our representatives in the common sense committee. Those suggestions would resolve a lot of the issues very quickly and speed up the game significantly.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 15:16
CQ whilst i applaud your reasoning this would lead to packs who are getting stuffed in the scrum opting deliberately for a free kick or penalty against them rather than being driven backwards/constantly fatigued first before the inevitable penalty is awarded
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Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

CQ whilst i applaud your reasoning this would lead to packs who are getting stuffed in the scrum opting deliberately for a free kick or penalty against them rather than being driven backwards/constantly fatigued first before the inevitable penalty is awarded


Why would anyone want to watch 16 players and a ref dominate the game with endless time consuming scrum resets?

I watched a Mitre Cup game the other day where they ran down half a sin bin in this method.

Minimise the scrums, let's see the ball thrown around and some excitement.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

CQ whilst i applaud your reasoning this would lead to packs who are getting stuffed in the scrum opting deliberately for a free kick or penalty against them rather than being driven backwards/constantly fatigued first before the inevitable penalty is awarded


Why would anyone want to watch 16 players and a ref dominate the game with endless time consuming scrum resets?

I watched a Mitre Cup game the other day where they ran down half a sin bin in this method.

Minimise the scrums, let's see the ball thrown around and some excitement.

I would quite happily watch 80 minutes of decent scrummaging, backs only knock on when they get the ball anyway
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 2020 at 09:52
There was a piece on the Today programme this morning with a chap from Moseley (whose name i failed to catch)  and Steve Grainger from RFU. Steve pointing out that they are waiting for a response from DCMS.
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It was Adam Balding, our DoR. Starts at about 2:50:00 in.

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