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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stalwart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2019 at 20:23
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

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1.26 million circulation, second highest daily paper. Not bad for a "fail". Good article, too.


Pesky statistics eh? Wink

All newspapers have declining circulation, so they are all failures in that respect.
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With no disrespect to any club in the Championship but why would The Pro 14 want to attract an English  Level 2 club to their competition. Most of the Pro 14 clubs play in Europe why would they want to go back
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Blues Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2019 at 20:31
I was more thinking how could say Nottingham and some of the other clubs afford the travel costs.  It costs quite a bit more to fly a squad and hotel costs etc than a couple hour drive in a coach.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stalwart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2019 at 20:40
Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

I was more thinking how could say Nottingham and some of the other clubs afford the travel costs.  It costs quite a bit more to fly a squad and hotel costs etc than a couple hour drive in a coach.

Pirates nearest trip (as the crow flies) is Jersey, but the logistics of getting there make to very expensive.
We are probably going to lose Hartpury, so our nearest opponent will be Irish - 260 miles, four and half hours. Coventry a little bit more. Always need a hotel - and a bit more than "a couple of hours".
Travelling to Wales, Scotland or even Ireland wouldn't be much more expensive and it would probably be possible to fly to several of the matches. 
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Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

I was more thinking how could say Nottingham and some of the other clubs afford the travel costs.  It costs quite a bit more to fly a squad and hotel costs etc than a couple hour drive in a coach.


Pirates nearest trip (as the crow flies) is Jersey, but the logistics of getting there make to very expensive.
We are probably going to lose Hartpury, so our nearest opponent will be Irish - 260 miles, four and half hours. Coventry a little bit more. Always need a hotel - and a bit more than "a couple of hours".
Travelling to Wales, Scotland or even Ireland wouldn't be much more expensive and it would probably be possible to fly to several of the matches. 


Not sure why you have discounted Hartpury (relegation) but not Irish (promotion).

Talk of championship clubs joining the Pro14 is pie in the sky - none of the, would be good enough for a start and secondly the RFU wouldn't allow it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote geralltrugby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jan 2019 at 22:58
Part of the reason my son signed for Welsh was the talk of joining the pro 14. There was much talk about at the time but as it transpired nothing of any substance and it all went very wrong for supporters and staff. I do wonder if when the next high level club has financial difficulties will the RFU be so keen to pull the plug?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 2019 at 06:34
Travel proably costs about the same as a decent full time prop.

Even if you take 40 people and it costs £500 each for 15 matches thats £20,000 per match or £300,000 per season.


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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Didn't London Welsh want to join the Celtic League too at one point?

From what I understand, the talks were at quite an advanced stage in 2015.  The WRU and SRU were in agreement, the IRFU were 'cautiously supportive'.  The RFU were heartily sick of us by this point, and both Jason Leonard and Bill Beaumont (President and Chairman respectively) had given us the go-ahead.  McCafferty was unhappy about the impact on crowds at Quins or Saracens if we were planing Munster or Scarlets, but neither club had any real objections.

The difference with this plan (which I think is nonsense - I don't think the Celtic clubs gain from this in any way) is that the RFU wouldn't allow 12 teams to be involved in cross-border competition.  One is fine, and the English clubs could work with that club to their mutual advantage with scheduling of fixtures and two-for-one deals.  But 12 just won't work.

Pirates are an interesting case - the Celtic link might be worth following, but while I think people at London Welsh were trying to sell the Welsh connection, the Pro 12 were more interested in exploiting the London bit, and that's where Kernow might appear less attractive (you know what I mean - no offence intended!)
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Cornish Pirates could be attractive.New Stadium in Truro and Newquey has a expanding Airport good for Teams and Fans 20 mins away. Plus it been selected as Virgins Space Base for Tourist Flights.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

I was more thinking how could say Nottingham and some of the other clubs afford the travel costs.  It costs quite a bit more to fly a squad and hotel costs etc than a couple hour drive in a coach.


Pirates nearest trip (as the crow flies) is Jersey, but the logistics of getting there make to very expensive.
We are probably going to lose Hartpury, so our nearest opponent will be Irish - 260 miles, four and half hours. Coventry a little bit more. Always need a hotel - and a bit more than "a couple of hours".
Travelling to Wales, Scotland or even Ireland wouldn't be much more expensive and it would probably be possible to fly to several of the matches. 


Not sure why you have discounted Hartpury (relegation) but not Irish (promotion).

Talk of championship clubs joining the Pro14 is pie in the sky - none of the, would be good enough for a start and secondly the RFU wouldn't allow it.

Yes, should have said we'll lose Irish as well. I'm assuming if The Championship clubs were to join Pro14 they would break away from the RFU having been shafted over in fencing. Not so sure they wouldn't be good enough - if squads were strengthened a bit.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 2019 at 10:48
Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Travelling to Wales, Scotland or even Ireland wouldn't be much more expensive and it would probably be possible to fly to several of the matches. 


Flights tend to be significantly more expensive than coach transport, and you usually need a coach at each end as well. And what about getting to Italy and South Africa?! More SA teams coming to Pro14 apparently...


Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:



Talk of championship clubs joining the Pro14 is pie in the sky - none of the, would be good enough for a start and secondly the RFU wouldn't allow it.


I'd agree with this for the 2 reasons given, plus the additional factor regarding travel logistics/cost
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Didn't London Welsh want to join the Celtic League too at one point?
Was that before or after they went bust?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tulip Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 2019 at 13:43
As Raider 999 said this is pie in the sky. At the minute Pro 14 is much stronger than the Premiership. Leinster,Munster
Ulster, Edinburgh and Glasgow looking likely to qualify for last 8 in European Cup. Only Saracens from Premiership.
Are we talking about a 2nd Division Pro 14 league
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The Pro 14 teams may be stronger in terms of European competition but the league is weak in terms of attendances and television audiences and sponsorship compared with the Premiership. Access to the English marketplace would be enticing although I agree it is very unlikely to happen.

We all know this is just trying to gain leverage before the RFU meeting tomorrow but I'm pleased that the championship is fighting back a bit. It makes a nice change from meekly accepting the crumbs we're given from the top table.
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Originally posted by stadium stadium wrote:

Cornish Pirates could be attractive.New Stadium in Truro and Newquey has a expanding Airport good for Teams and Fans 20 mins away. Plus it been selected as Virgins Space Base for Tourist Flights.

Space virgins going to Cornwall, whatever next?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oneagainstthehead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 2019 at 16:27
Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Originally posted by stadium stadium wrote:

Cornish Pirates could be attractive.New Stadium in Truro and Newquey has a expanding Airport good for Teams and Fans 20 mins away. Plus it been selected as Virgins Space Base for Tourist Flights.

Space virgins going to Cornwall, whatever next?

Inverness has run out - so I’ve heard.
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Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Originally posted by stadium stadium wrote:

Cornish Pirates could be attractive.New Stadium in Truro and Newquey has a expanding Airport good for Teams and Fans 20 mins away. Plus it been selected as Virgins Space Base for Tourist Flights.

Space virgins going to Cornwall, whatever next?

Inverness has run out - so I’ve heard.

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Originally posted by stadium stadium wrote:

Cornish Pirates could be attractive.New Stadium in Truro and Newquey has a expanding Airport good for Teams and Fans 20 mins away. Plus it been selected as Virgins Space Base for Tourist Flights.


Really useful that, especially if someone has home base on the moon
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Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

As Raider 999 said this is pie in the sky. At the minute Pro 14 is much stronger than the Premiership. Leinster,Munster
Ulster, Edinburgh and Glasgow looking likely to qualify for last 8 in European Cup. Only Saracens from Premiership.
Are we talking about a 2nd Division Pro 14 league


The pro14 has a number of strong teams (plus 2 poor Italian, 2 poor Saffa, 1 poor Welsh and Irish)

The difference is all the Irish talent is concentrated in 3 Provinces, the Scots in 2 regions and the Welsh in 3 Regions - they are not clubs so not a level playing field for the English and French Clubs!

Combine Exeter, Bath and Bristol into 1 region, Gloucester, Worcester and London Irish into another. Leicester, wasps, Northampton into a 3rd, Sale & Newcastle into a 4th and build up Quins to form a 5th - then you would have the equivalent.

A question, if Pro14 is so wonderful, why do crowds not flock to watch especially given these are traditional rugby areas - also why are the Broadcasters not that interested in throwing big money at it for viewing rights?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 2019 at 18:09
To answer the last questtion, because there are 14m Scots, Welsh and Irishmen combined and 60m Englishmen. And RTE has access to most of those.
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