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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DICKON Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 11:23
The RFU used an algorithm to decide outstanding matches following the foot & mouth crisis, much in the way of Duckworth-Lewis in cricket. However, there was no pending ACR at that time, and the RFU may well not want the controversy of the algorithm approach this season, then the ACR next, when they can simply wrap it all up in one go by implementing the ACR recommendations now. I suspect the hiatus until April 14th is more about buying time for the RFU to decide what route to take, rather than any indication of a restart at that time.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote billesleyexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 11:59
Originally posted by DICKON DICKON wrote:

The RFU used an algorithm to decide outstanding matches following the foot & mouth crisis, much in the way of Duckworth-Lewis in cricket. However, there was no pending ACR at that time, and the RFU may well not want the controversy of the algorithm approach this season, then the ACR next, when they can simply wrap it all up in one go by implementing the ACR recommendations now. I suspect the hiatus until April 14th is more about buying time for the RFU to decide what route to take, rather than any indication of a restart at that time.

Conversely, and given the ACR is still out for consultation AIUI, that's an open invitation for clubs/aggrieved owners to lawyer up.

I think given the circumstances the most likely outcome is either 

 - to void this season. Go again next season as though 19-20 never happened, and kick implementation of ACR to the season after that.

- to declare the season closed on the current tables. 

The second option is yet another invitation to the lawyers. 

Probably easier to go for what you might call the "Dallas Shower Scene" approach and treat this season as "all a dream."

And yes, I would be saying that regardless of where my club was in the table.

Just on your last point, in bold, I agree. If it's anything like my place of work then they stuck a date on it so it wasn't open ended, but the conversations haven't even started yet (because no one knows what's going to happen) and it's a paper date rather than because they're expecting anything to be different (or even God help us clearer) by then. I agree with you that I'd be astonished if anyone at HQ thinks we'll be playing again then.


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Originally posted by DICKON DICKON wrote:

The RFU used an algorithm to decide outstanding matches following the foot & mouth crisis, much in the way of Duckworth-Lewis in cricket. However, there was no pending ACR at that time, and the RFU may well not want the controversy of the algorithm approach this season, then the ACR next, when they can simply wrap it all up in one go by implementing the ACR recommendations now. I suspect the hiatus until April 14th is more about buying time for the RFU to decide what route to take, rather than any indication of a restart at that time.


One way for the RFU to impose their unwanted changes through I suppose.

Personally, I favour waiting a bit to see when a resumption could be expected. Yes players will not be match fit, but if they are paid they have a responsibility to keep themselves as fit as possible.

Should there be no chance of resuming the season then the RFU will need to make decisions (as someone said a few days ago 'that's what they are paid the big bucks for")

In the interim, I suggest the RFU put all their employees on Unpaid Leave - thus helping cut their deficit. Anyone who won't comply should be made redundant on the Minimum national terms.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote French Connection Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 12:45
As I've already said - I strongly suspect that you'll see over there:
  • Season finished and no more competitive games played
  • No promotion and relegation. Too much potential for litigation (only exception may be Saracens- Newcastle but I doubt even that)
  • Start new season as and when - will be decided in a couple of months
  • New ACR structure to commence in September 21. If it's gone by then
....and perhaps surprisingly
  • Financial assistance to clubs at all levels from the RFU to keep them afloat.
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Saracens have to be relegated surely. 
They may have the money for litigation 
and perhaps Newcastle won’t 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 15:50
Originally posted by Dobber Dobber wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

This is much ado about nothing really.
No money in through the gates, club facilities having events and conferences cancelled left right and centre, and some players being paid even down to Level 5.... there's going to be a mass implosion of clubs at many levels. 

I did post that weeks before that RFU announcement to put it in context. But I stand by the point, if players want to play, let them. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 15:55
Originally posted by French Connection French Connection wrote:

As I've already said - I strongly suspect that you'll see over there:
  • Season finished and no more competitive games played
  • No promotion and relegation. Too much potential for litigation (only exception may be Saracens- Newcastle but I doubt even that)
  • Start new season as and when - will be decided in a couple of months
  • New ACR structure to commence in September 21. If it's gone by then
....and perhaps surprisingly
  • Financial assistance to clubs at all levels from the RFU to keep them afloat.
Let's see

No matter what route they take, there will be litigation regardless (clubs who have already earned promotion will want it). I think the only proper way would be that clubs who are top and already confirmed champions of their league should be promoted providing there is a club in the league above already relegated to swap out. 

My real example is that North Walsham are unable to be caught at the top of L1N, while Guildford are unable to get out of the relegation zone in N3LSE so you'd just simply swap them over.
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by French Connection French Connection wrote:

As I've already said - I strongly suspect that you'll see over there:
  • Season finished and no more competitive games played
  • No promotion and relegation. Too much potential for litigation (only exception may be Saracens- Newcastle but I doubt even that)
  • Start new season as and when - will be decided in a couple of months
  • New ACR structure to commence in September 21. If it's gone by then
....and perhaps surprisingly
  • Financial assistance to clubs at all levels from the RFU to keep them afloat.
Let's see


No matter what route they take, there will be litigation regardless (clubs who have already earned promotion will want it). I think the only proper way would be that clubs who are top and already confirmed champions of their league should be promoted providing there is a club in the league above already relegated to swap out. 

My real example is that North Walsham are unable to be caught at the top of L1N, while Guildford are unable to get out of the relegation zone in N3LSE so you'd just simply swap them over.


Nothing is simple - if the season isn't completed then whatever is decided by the RFU/NCA will leave some club(s) with a grievance which they might take to the courts.
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Nothing is simple - if the season isn't completed then whatever is decided by the RFU/NCA will leave some club(s) with a grievance which they might take to the courts.

Would any club outside of the top two levels, given most are volunteer run, really want to go down that road.  Sadly people are dying and more will do, rugby is just a game.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dobber Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 23:54
Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

This is much ado about nothing really.
I did post that weeks before that RFU announcement to put it in context.  
.. you posted it on 11th March..... six days ago, but let's not get picky. 
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Originally posted by Redted Redted wrote:

Nothing is simple - if the season isn't completed then whatever is decided by the RFU/NCA will leave some club(s) with a grievance which they might take to the courts.

Would any club outside of the top two levels, given most are volunteer run, really want to go down that road.  Sadly people are dying and more will do, rugby is just a game.

They might. Particularly the nouveau riche clubs since they'll have the wealthy backer to support such a challenge.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CJB1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 11:48
Originally posted by Fat Albert Fat Albert wrote:

By the way, are churches to be closed? If not, why not?
CofE is suspending public worship for the time being (other churches are available, no idea what they've said).  SWMBO is wondering what she'll do on a Sunday morning.  So am I, but that's because the orchestra I am involved in has cancelled rehearsals and concerts too.


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Originally posted by CJB1 CJB1 wrote:

Originally posted by Fat Albert Fat Albert wrote:

By the way, are churches to be closed? If not, why not?
CofE is suspending public worship for the time being (other churches are available, no idea what they've said).  SWMBO is wondering what she'll do on a Sunday morning.  So am I, but that's because the orchestra I am involved in has cancelled rehearsals and concerts too.

Certainly now I think anything Anglican in the UK has been suspended - CoE, CoI, CiW, SCE. Don't know what the RCs are doing exactly, but I think they're on the same page.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 14:50
Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

Saracens have to be relegated surely. 
They may have the money for litigation 
and perhaps Newcastle won’t 

If Saracens Come Down - Newcastle Goes Up - Surely we want to see the back of Carnegie too so the option sucks about pretending it never happened. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DICKON Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 15:37
Todays missive from the RFU:

The Adult Male Future Competition Structure consultation sessions due to take place between Monday 23 March to Tuesday 14 April - all those booked on these sessions will be contacted. The aim is to ensure a decision on future structures is taken by the Friday 12 June Council meeting, a new plan for consultations will be communicated in due course.

Adult competitions - we are currently looking into the implications on, and options for, the conclusion of our Adult Men’s and Adult Women’s competitions for this season. This review work is expected to take the next few weeks and a final position is unlikely to be clear until April. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Mar 2020 at 19:22
Originally posted by DICKON DICKON wrote:

Todays missive from the RFU:

The Adult Male Future Competition Structure consultation sessions due to take place between Monday 23 March to Tuesday 14 April - all those booked on these sessions will be contacted. The aim is to ensure a decision on future structures is taken by the Friday 12 June Council meeting, a new plan for consultations will be communicated in due course.

Adult competitions - we are currently looking into the implications on, and options for, the conclusion of our Adult Men’s and Adult Women’s competitions for this season. This review work is expected to take the next few weeks and a final position is unlikely to be clear until April. 

Surely better to complete these meeting electronically (video conference or conference call) so that they meet the non-essential socialising criteria set out by government. RFU have the technology for a group conference call - they've done it before with members of this forum.


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US CDC research shows that chloroquine also has strong potential as a prophylactic (preventative) measure against coronavirus in the lab, while we wait for a vaccine to be developed.  Chloroquine & Hydroxochlroquine are inexpensive, globally available drugs that has been in widespread human use since 1945 against malaria, autoimmune and various other conditions.
Originally posted by RS RS wrote:

On the subject of using antimalarial drugs for COVID-19 treatment, I've compared COVID-19 cases versus malaria incidence by country....

I downloaded all of the data for 234 countries, incidence of total COVID-19 cases (as of 3/17/2020) versus the incidence of malaria in those countries (various sources, kinda messy matching everything up in Excel).

RESULTS, Multi-country average malaria cases per thousand, COVID-19 cases per million, in three classes of countries based on malaria incidence:

Top 40 Malaria countries: 212 malaria = 0.2 COVID-19
Next 40 Malaria countries: 7.3 malaria = 10.1 COVID-19
Remaining (81-234) countries: 0.00 malaria = 68.7 COVID-19

In all my years of data analysis I have never seen such a stark and strong relationship: Countries with malaria basically have no COVID-19 cases (at least not yet).

The UK Government have known about the immunity to Covid-19 granted by chloroquine for more than a month since on February 26, 2020, they added chloroquine to the list of medicines that cannot be parallel exported from the UK.  Chloroquine was never on this list before.

A published medical trial indicates that 75% of patients who test positive for Covid-19 are disease free within 6 days, 100% within 10 days of chlorquine treatment.

It works by making cells absorb more Zinc from the bodies nutrient system, the zinc inhibits the RNA virus from replicating.

Please can someone tell me why this information, which confirms that a drug that has been in widespread use for more than 70 years and whose contra indications are very well documented and that is available in very large quantities (routinely taken by people living with high malaria risk) has not been made available to the public.

If the above is true this entire pandemic could be over in 2 weeks

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fatbear Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 13:30
So drink Gin & Tonic and we will all be fine !

I'm off to start the panic buying..........


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Re Technical Report RS. Is the last paragraph all telling?

"If this is true"
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