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    Posted: 15 Jan 2013 at 21:58
I know this is Taunton related, but we haven't got a special section for them yet, so here will have to do. 


Unsure if the linky thing has worked, never done it on here before.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2013 at 08:44
http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/M5-pile-8211-manslaughter-case-dropped/story-17871406-detail/story.html

Interesting that he'll now face an HSE prosecution instead. To be honest, a manslaughter charge did seem over the top. I'd have thought it would have been almost impossible to prove.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2013 at 08:54
Never quite understood the logic of these things, I agree with Willtops that manslaughter seems over the top, but realistically if he's found guilty on Health & Safety charges then the families of those injured and killed during the incident will surely feel that's proof of his neglect/culpability?
 
If the Health & Safety charges are related in anyway to the adjacent carriageway then blame is still being put at his door for the outcomes is it not?!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2013 at 14:18
Guess the accident is difficult to pin on someone beyond all reasonable doubt, especially as it was so foggy before the firework display. 

But as the firework display went ahead and the wind took the smoke onto the M5, this would be against H&S rules and regs etc and basic checks?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2013 at 15:11
It's difficult to know what the expected standards are unless an industry is fully regulated and therefore the guidelines easily found.
 
I'm sure nobody who planned and carried out the firework show was thinking the resulting incident would have come about and sure if there was a high risk of this they wouldn't blindly carry on. It's most likely that the nearby carriageway was never a consideration at any point, which is where the H&S charge is more sensible than manslaughter.
 
Either way I hope for the sake of the families, and even the guy in question facing charges, that all involed can get suitable closure with the incident. It wont ever mitigate the anguish and grief of families impacted but there's nothing worse than incidents going unresolved without any clarity.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2013 at 15:41
Just plain sad - from any perspective.
 
A number of contributory factors including fog, smoke, wind direction and quite possibly inappropriate driving speed yet we seek to identify one individual to pin it on. Just a sign of the times though I suppose.
 
I also have to wonder whether this would still attract interest on this forum if the club involved was anyone other than Taunton or Stourbridge! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2013 at 17:03
Agreed "The Joy of level 7" .............. but it was a Stourbridge follower who started the thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2013 at 20:29
Originally posted by The Joy of (Level) 7 The Joy of (Level) 7 wrote:

 
I also have to wonder whether this would still attract interest on this forum if the club involved was anyone other than Taunton or Stourbridge! 

Why wouldn't it? If it was any rugby club at this level involved that it was connected to, however loosely, i would have posted it. I was amazed nobody else had before i did.  

As soon as you realised it concerned Taunton, why bother reading any further if it really bothers you enough to make the remark?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 2013 at 22:53
Please what is all this 'Taunton' or Stourbridge nonsense? I may not agree with everything posted on here but I will defend to the end a person's right to do so. It is called freedom of speech! Provided it passes any reasonable sense of decency then the thought police can go away.
I suspect all clubs in the National leagues do their best to raise money and their community profile. Every little helps as a certain advert goes! Many different ways of raising money are tried and in Taunton's case it was a firework display. Someone had to run it or it would not happen.
What is different here is that not long after the event was held there was a terrible and tragic crash on a nearby motorway. Consequently, an individual is going through a legal process which is raising a lot of issues some of which are complex and some straightforward. It is a potential lesson for any club anywhere and therefore surely a valid subject matter for this Board.
We live in an ever-increasing 'blame' society where the concept of a genuine accident becomes more and more blurred. Consciences can be eased by the suggestion someone else is to blame. Even, blame can be aimed at where the insurance policy may be housed! If the idea of compensation can be persued then human nature is such that it will be.
There are always those in authority who want to push boundaries and see how far matters can be taken. Only the passage of time can show what decisions are sensible and what are incorrect.
It is surely a very unattractive notion that a club could run an activity with the best of intentions but end up with the idea that someone could go down for manslaughter. Where would the boundaries be? How could any risk assessment become all-embracing? There a load more potential questions/ matters of concern. Who is prepared to insure what? At what cost and with what exclusions? The old joke that we will take your money (premium) but make it almost certain that you cannot fix us with the obligation to pay out may be coming more real.
This case is unfolding and now we have what IMO is sensible in that the suggestion of manslaughter is dropped. Why was it thought of in the first place is a real question for the CPS to answer.
What public events can rugby clubs run safely? A fortiori what is meant by the concept of 'safely'?? All of these points have nothing whatsoever to do with whether the subject matter is 'Taunton' or Didsbury Toc H Extra 4ths!
 
On a separate point, this Board contains people from all walks of life. Some are clearly better educated than others but all are entitled to post. Sarcasm or irony is part of the British humour which Americans struggle to ubderstand. Many posts on here are funny and clever. I say hail the day that they continue. As far as Stourbridge is concerned I know some but not all the regular posters. If some of them like to wind up a few 'train spotters' then more fool the person who rises to the bait They are real human beings with a good sense of humour and yes we are very proud of what we have achieved this season.  It makes a sea change from the last one which left us with mainly gallows humour!! A sensible question is at what point is a league record set for the number of consecutive games earning maximum points? I have a relation who is a player. They are enjoying this season like no other. They are entitled to because they are the ones who are training hard and playing well. Team spirit is high. If there is anyone who does not think that is appropriate then tough! If any of our posts 'get to you' then go look in a mirror and analyse the reason why. Take a chill-pill! BUT please stop complaining to the ref that we should be sent off!!
On that point, Richard please PM me re FR who is actually a hugely amusing guy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jan 2013 at 09:29
Originally posted by B L Zebub B L Zebub wrote:

Please what is all this 'Taunton' or Stourbridge nonsense? I may not agree with everything posted on here but I will defend to the end a person's right to do so. It is called freedom of speech! Provided it passes any reasonable sense of decency then the thought police can go away.
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On a separate point, this Board contains people from all walks of life. Some are clearly better educated than others but all are entitled to post. Sarcasm or irony is part of the British humour which Americans struggle to ubderstand. Many posts on here are funny and clever. I say hail the day that they continue. As far as Stourbridge is concerned I know some but not all the regular posters. If some of them like to wind up a few 'train spotters' then more fool the person who rises to the bait They are real human beings with a good sense of humour and yes we are very proud of what we have achieved this season.  It makes a sea change from the last one which left us with mainly gallows humour!! A sensible question is at what point is a league record set for the number of consecutive games earning maximum points? I have a relation who is a player. They are enjoying this season like no other. They are entitled to because they are the ones who are training hard and playing well. Team spirit is high. If there is anyone who does not think that is appropriate then tough! If any of our posts 'get to you' then go look in a mirror and analyse the reason why. Take a chill-pill! BUT please stop complaining to the ref that we should be sent off!!
On that point, Richard please PM me re FR who is actually a hugely amusing guy.
 
Well said BLZ ... this forum would be a very dour place if there wasn't a bit of baiting, bragging and banter. I admit that I'm a little envious of Stourbridge's success but thoroughly enjoyed watching them play and will be travelling to Stourton Park for the reverse fixture.
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