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Can't begrudge Richmond the point and hope they stay up, but Cov were very poor today, making little or no use of the wind in the first half and kicking too much possession away in the second.
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I think it made a huge difference losing Pete White early on in an entirely preventable injury.

Clash of heads in the air, and Pete was one of two to go down injured. Referee allowed play to continue over the two players with potential head injuries, and he was trampled and suffered a knee injury. The whistle should have gone before they hit the ground, not after play had moved over them.
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Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

ET 22-14 Hartpury at full time.
A lacklustre first 50 from Ealing saw Gloucstolbury into a deserved 14-0 lead. That set off the alarm in the Ealing dormitory and, after a quick breakfast, they scored 22 unanswered points, including a penalty from his own half by Lydon to deny the visitors a losing bonus point. It’s the best we could do for Richmond. Unfortunately we’re duty bound to beat them next week.

Sara Cox was diabolically poor today. Ealing won 5 scrums in a row on the five meter line, and she didnt award a penalty try. She also kept yellow in her pocket when Ealing was blatantly taken out of the air. Just abysmal. I am hohazelnut after screaming at Ealing to go for the corner. Lydon made the penalty to spite Glostolpury, but we left a BP on the field by not kicking to the corner to go bag the 4th try.

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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

ET 22-14 Hartpury at full time.
A lacklustre first 50 from Ealing saw Gloucstolbury into a deserved 14-0 lead. That set off the alarm in the Ealing dormitory and, after a quick breakfast, they scored 22 unanswered points, including a penalty from his own half by Lydon to deny the visitors a losing bonus point. It’s the best we could do for Richmond. Unfortunately we’re duty bound to beat them next week.

Sara Cox was diabolically poor today. Ealing won 5 scrums in a row on the five meter line, and she didnt award a penalty try. She also kept yellow in her pocket when Ealing was blatantly taken out of the air. Just abysmal. I am hohazelnut after screaming at Ealing to go for the corner. Lydon made the penalty to spite Glostolpury, but we left a BP on the field by not kicking to the corner to go bag the 4th try.

Glostolpury - that’s better, spelling was never my strong point.

I agree with you on the five consecutive scrum penalties and the take out in the air (both arms around the throat and upended onto his back, if you will) was a straight red in my eyes. Otherwise the I thought the ref had an OK match. The decision to go for three points at the end was pragmatic if unadventurous.

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Note, the naughty language filter will not let me write the word that means that I have yelled until it is difficult to talk.
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Ahead by 5-7 points in a must-win game? Awarded a kickable penalty with a couple of mins to play, which if successful effectively guarantees the win? I'd be screaming myself ho@r$€ to get the tee on!


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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Ahead by 5-7 points in a must-win game? Awarded a kickable penalty with a couple of mins to play, which if successful effectively guarantees the win? I'd be screaming myself ho@r$€ to get the tee on!


Dropping the BP puts Ealing 10 points back - effectively as bad as a loss from a promotion perspective given that Irish hold the tiebreaker on points differential. Normally I would agree with sealing the win.
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

ET 22-14 Hartpury at full time.
A lacklustre first 50 from Ealing saw Gloucstolbury into a deserved 14-0 lead. That set off the alarm in the Ealing dormitory and, after a quick breakfast, they scored 22 unanswered points, including a penalty from his own half by Lydon to deny the visitors a losing bonus point. It’s the best we could do for Richmond. Unfortunately we’re duty bound to beat them next week.

Sara Cox was diabolically poor today. Ealing won 5 scrums in a row on the five meter line, and she didnt award a penalty try. She also kept yellow in her pocket when Ealing was blatantly taken out of the air. Just abysmal. I am hohazelnut after screaming at Ealing to go for the corner. Lydon made the penalty to spite Glostolpury, but we left a BP on the field by not kicking to the corner to go bag the 4th try.


I think there is a bit of a loophole whereby a penalty try can't be awarded if the scrum isn't clearly moving towards the line despite persistent infringements.
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Originally posted by RobC RobC wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

ET 22-14 Hartpury at full time.
A lacklustre first 50 from Ealing saw Gloucstolbury into a deserved 14-0 lead. That set off the alarm in the Ealing dormitory and, after a quick breakfast, they scored 22 unanswered points, including a penalty from his own half by Lydon to deny the visitors a losing bonus point. It’s the best we could do for Richmond. Unfortunately we’re duty bound to beat them next week.

Sara Cox was diabolically poor today. Ealing won 5 scrums in a row on the five meter line, and she didnt award a penalty try. She also kept yellow in her pocket when Ealing was blatantly taken out of the air. Just abysmal. I am hohazelnut after screaming at Ealing to go for the corner. Lydon made the penalty to spite Glostolpury, but we left a BP on the field by not kicking to the corner to go bag the 4th try.


I think there is a bit of a loophole whereby a penalty try can't be awarded if the scrum isn't clearly moving towards the line despite persistent infringements.


There is a second level to that loophole that Coventry kept coming up against in their final two seasons in NL1.?If you can collapse the scrum quickly enough that it was not going forward, you are correct a penalty try may not be awarded - but you may get a front row player sub-binned. If you get sufficient front row players sinbinned those scrummages become uncontested, and so it becomes impossible for the scrum to go forwards.
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

ET 22-14 Hartpury at full time.
A lacklustre first 50 from Ealing saw Gloucstolbury into a deserved 14-0 lead. That set off the alarm in the Ealing dormitory and, after a quick breakfast, they scored 22 unanswered points, including a penalty from his own half by Lydon to deny the visitors a losing bonus point. It’s the best we could do for Richmond. Unfortunately we’re duty bound to beat them next week.

Sara Cox was diabolically poor today. Ealing won 5 scrums in a row on the five meter line, and she didnt award a penalty try. She also kept yellow in her pocket when Ealing was blatantly taken out of the air. Just abysmal. I am hohazelnut after screaming at Ealing to go for the corner. Lydon made the penalty to spite Glostolpury, but we left a BP on the field by not kicking to the corner to go bag the 4th try.


Yes we had this over promoted match official a few weeks ago and was just as diabolical then. A common theme possibly?

Clearly has difficulty with the high tackle concept, which prevents yellow cards from being produced.

I’m sure the diversity crew will jump in to defend, but clearly the RFU need to take a long hard look when they are pushing this agenda.



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Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Originally posted by RobC RobC wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

ET 22-14 Hartpury at full time.
A lacklustre first 50 from Ealing saw Gloucstolbury into a deserved 14-0 lead. That set off the alarm in the Ealing dormitory and, after a quick breakfast, they scored 22 unanswered points, including a penalty from his own half by Lydon to deny the visitors a losing bonus point. It’s the best we could do for Richmond. Unfortunately we’re duty bound to beat them next week.

Sara Cox was diabolically poor today. Ealing won 5 scrums in a row on the five meter line, and she didnt award a penalty try. She also kept yellow in her pocket when Ealing was blatantly taken out of the air. Just abysmal. I am hohazelnut after screaming at Ealing to go for the corner. Lydon made the penalty to spite Glostolpury, but we left a BP on the field by not kicking to the corner to go bag the 4th try.


I think there is a bit of a loophole whereby a penalty try can't be awarded if the scrum isn't clearly moving towards the line despite persistent infringements.


There is a second level to that loophole that Coventry kept coming up against in their final two seasons in NL1.?If you can collapse the scrum quickly enough that it was not going forward, you are correct a penalty try may not be awarded - but you may get a front row player sub-binned. If you get sufficient front row players sinbinned those scrummages become uncontested, and so it becomes impossible for the scrum to go forwards.


Moseley away comes to mind...
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Sara Cox may not be the best referee at this level but she certainly is not the worst. To ascribe her ascent as any form of gender based bias is or positive discrimination is very hard to justify. I’ve seen regular Premiership, even international referees have howlers. The referee wasn’t perfect but she wasn’t out of her depth.
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Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

Sara Cox may not be the best referee at this level but she certainly is not the worst. To ascribe her ascent as any form of gender based bias is or positive discrimination is very hard to justify. I’ve seen regular Premiership, even international referees have howlers. The referee wasn’t perfect but she wasn’t out of her depth.
Have to say the couple of times we've had Ms Cox at The Mennaye she has been very good.
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Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

Sara Cox may not be the best referee at this level but she certainly is not the worst. To ascribe her ascent as any form of gender based bias is or positive discrimination is very hard to justify. I’ve seen regular Premiership, even international referees have howlers. The referee wasn’t perfect but she wasn’t out of her depth.


Confirmed my previous post and I never suggested for one minute that they were not the best match official at the Championship level, but keep on defending this match official. As to being female, you are the one who raised this, so you clearly have some point you wish to make.
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Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

Sara Cox may not be the best referee at this level but she certainly is not the worst. To ascribe her ascent as any form of gender based bias is or positive discrimination is very hard to justify. I’ve seen regular Premiership, even international referees have howlers. The referee wasn’t perfect but she wasn’t out of her depth.
Have to say the couple of times we've had Ms Cox at The Mennaye she has been very good.
 

Yes - she had two howlers today, but I've never seen her be this poor before. We all have off days, and I think she is a quality official who will get a very poor mark from the assessors for this particular match.
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Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

Sara Cox may not be the best referee at this level but she certainly is not the worst. To ascribe her ascent as any form of gender based bias is or positive discrimination is very hard to justify. I’ve seen regular Premiership, even international referees have howlers. The referee wasn’t perfect but she wasn’t out of her depth.


Confirmed my previous post and I never suggested for one minute that they were not the best match official at the Championship level, but keep on defending this match official. As to being female, you are the one who raised this, so you clearly have some point you wish to make.


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You may have quoted from the wrong point in this thread. In which case I’ll apologise before I take you to task. However, I categorically did not make an issue of the referee’s gender. My posts have deliberately avoided any such inference, to me it is totally irrelevant.
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I thought Sara Cox has a good game for the Bedford vs London Scottish game a couple of weeks ago. As above, she’s not the best ref in the league but she isn’t the worst either. I’ve noticed Exiled Scots ALWAYS claims the referee has a terrible game when London Scottish lose, funny that. No discrimination at least. In the recent game, she did very harshly sin bin a London Scottish player for a deliberate knock on in Bedford’s half. About 1 minute later, she gave a harsh sin bin to a Bedford player to “even it out” as it were. You can argue whether this is the right the thing to do but given the circumstances I had no issues with it at the time as a Bedford fan. Neither of these players should’ve been binned, but other than that I thought she reffed the game well.
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Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

Sara Cox may not be the best referee at this level but she certainly is not the worst. To ascribe her ascent as any form of gender based bias is or positive discrimination is very hard to justify. I’ve seen regular Premiership, even international referees have howlers. The referee wasn’t perfect but she wasn’t out of her depth.


Confirmed my previous post and I never suggested for one minute that they were not the best match official at the Championship level, but keep on defending this match official. As to being female, you are the one who raised this, so you clearly have some point you wish to make.


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You may have quoted from the wrong point in this thread. In which case I’ll apologise before I take you to task. However, I categorically did not make an issue of the referee’s gender. My posts have deliberately avoided any such inference, to me it is totally irrelevant.


Please note I was very particular not to name or make any reference to the match officials gender, but please carry on defending them. The minute you raised her gender you made an issue out of it.
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Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:

I thought Sara Cox has a good game for the Bedford vs London Scottish game a couple of weeks ago. As above, she’s not the best ref in the league but she isn’t the worst either. I’ve noticed Exiled Scots ALWAYS claims the referee has a terrible game when London Scottish lose, funny that. No discrimination at least. In the recent game, she did very harshly sin bin a London Scottish player for a deliberate knock on in Bedford’s half. About 1 minute later, she gave a harsh sin bin to a Bedford player to “even it out” as it were. You can argue whether this is the right the thing to do but given the circumstances I had no issues with it at the time as a Bedford fan. Neither of these players should’ve been binned, but other than that I thought she reffed the game well.


Pleased and happy for you to point out exactly where after the LS v Blues game I claimed the performance of the match offical was to blame for the LS lost to the Blues? I would suggest you can’t.

Still waiting Bluesman11 and if you can’t I would also suggest you remove or edit your post accordingly.



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Dean Richards easily takes the award for the worst referee in the league. Sara Cox is a million times better.
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