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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan 2021 at 14:56
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

I think if you listed all the rugby clubs who have officials and players helping the local community in Covid related activity it would be a very very long list.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan 2021 at 15:30
I'm sure that's true and pleasing to hear but I think my original post was to say that there are other clubs who's only interests appear to be getting rugby back up and running come what may with little concern for the wider implications and health issues

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dropout22 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan 2021 at 16:41
Ealing Trailfinders have been assisting and continue to assist in their local community, a large food bank is provided by the club - with players, staff and the like all donating. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan 2021 at 19:48
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

I'm sure that's true and pleasing to hear but I think my original post was to say that there are other clubs who's only interests appear to be getting rugby back up and running come what may with little concern for the wider implications and health issues

Really? Your original post said
"Here's a novel suggestion, why don't all these energetic professional athletes from all sports actually do something useful like volunteering to be trained to administer the vaccine or get involved in the logistics of delivering the vaccine, getting people to the vaccination points etc etc instead of wondering when they will be able to start lining their own pockets again
We would be back to "normal" a lot quicker if they did". 


An awful lot of alls there. Exactly which players and clubs do you think are "wondering when they will be able to start lining their own pockets again"?

I think you should either name them or withdraw your accusation if you don't want to be regarded as a troll.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan 2021 at 22:24
OK - let me explain my thoughts. We have a crisis on our hands that is getting worse day after day and yet top of the agenda in some people's minds is getting professional sport up and running. If I can make an analogy what would these fit young people be doing if there was a war on? Going off to the front line to fight for the cause or staying behind to train and play sport? Actually it's a good analogy because we ARE engaged in a war against an unseen enemy. Forget sport, get these people involved as I originally suggested - being trained to administer the vaccine, transporting the vaccine, manning the phones to book appointments and getting the weak and vulnerable to their appointments, all of which would take some of the pressure off our marvelous and over stretched health services. My comments were never aimed at particular clubs, more at professional sport in general
If my thoughts are classed as trolling so be it
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Monkey Boy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jan 2021 at 00:04
More pertinent is that there’s actually need for food banks which all our wonderful clubs are contributing too. Well done to them all but hunger poverty really shouldn’t exist in 2021 and I hope all those involved ensure that societal changes will see a diminishing of the wealth gap and less requirements for charity to put meals on the table
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jan 2021 at 10:00
Professional sport IS up and running - it returned at various points in June & July, with rugby in England resuming in August. The Championship comes under the elite sport umbrella and as a result is seeking to have an abbreviated season, belatedly joining the resumption that is now well-established at the top level (as well as the equivalent/2nd tier in France).

Yes, there are still a lot of challenges to getting any sort of season at T2 off the ground & there'll be many on what is predominantly a forum for semi-pro/part-time rugby clubs who don't agree the Championship is an elite level, but that's the Championship all over - neither one thing nor the other in many respects, with a wide range of approaches within it. It's not like the Prem, or the lower tiers, but it contains 12 clubs with great history and pedigree and tens of thousands of followers...

I know some people think there shouldn't be any sport at present, others think it's providing a bright spot in bleak times, but hopefully we can discuss this without b1tch1ng at each other and people scoffing at the Championship because it's more professional than the tiers below and is trying to get games on. In that vein, I apologise for an earlier accusation of trolling I made to another poster.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Blues Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jan 2021 at 11:13
When the Premiership and RFU need the Championship to be an "elite" professional league we are.

When the Premiership and RFU don't need the Championship to be an "elite" professional league we are  not, as highlighted by the reduced funding.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jan 2021 at 13:03
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

OK - let me explain my thoughts. We have a crisis on our hands that is getting worse day after day and yet top of the agenda in some people's minds is getting professional sport up and running. If I can make an analogy what would these fit young people be doing if there was a war on? Going off to the front line to fight for the cause or staying behind to train and play sport? Actually it's a good analogy because we ARE engaged in a war against an unseen enemy. Forget sport, get these people involved as I originally suggested - being trained to administer the vaccine, transporting the vaccine, manning the phones to book appointments and getting the weak and vulnerable to their appointments, all of which would take some of the pressure off our marvelous and over stretched health services. My comments were never aimed at particular clubs, more at professional sport in general
If my thoughts are classed as trolling so be it

Do you have some mystical power that enables you to tell what is top of the agenda in some people's minds?

This along with your willingness to sling out accusations without having the character to name those you accuse absolutely makes you a troll in my view.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jan 2021 at 13:21
Fine - I can live with being called a "troll" What I am struggling to live with is the increasing threat of Covid caused by total irresponsibility amongst large proportions of the population, many of them from a sporting environment. Pointless me commenting further if I am not allowed my opinion
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Member728 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jan 2021 at 13:39

Really cannot see the logistics of  starting  this season  in the championship

Some clubs have large numbers of  players who are not fully professional

 

Richmond does not have 1 full time professional rugby player on the books

So my questions  are

 

As an employer why would  I allow my employee to play rugby with a chance to  get this horrible disease  ?

 

Why would my employee want to play rugby ?

 

If over 65s are not going get their first jab until April how can we get crowds  ?

 

Promotion/Relegation

As National 1 season is cancelled how can you promote any team ?

 

Costs

If we start the season on March 6th

Covid tests would have to be done every week  it will cost each club 24k per month

Plus extra cost for travelling etc

Where is the income coming from ?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Trailfinder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jan 2021 at 14:25
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The idea that rugby players can be 'trained up' to administer the vaccine is vacuous. Unless it is some form of manual or administrative work there is very little that professional rugby players can do directly assist in the roll out. What they are 'trained' to do is provide entertainment for fans of the sport, the current restrictions make it almost impossible to do anything else.

An informative article on the hoops that need to be jumped through to be eligible to administer the vaccine:




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Jan 2021 at 15:56
Yes indeed - my wife pointed out the problems this dentist was having getting through the beaurocracy. Absolutely ridiculous and yet the government claims to be recruiting Off duty cabin crew (presumably on the basis they have an acceptable level of first aid training)
I guess what the government claims and what they actually achieve are two different things having underdelivered on every single target they have set themselves so far. I suspect we can be no more than 7 to 10 days away from a full lockdown (or level 8 or 9 as we may be classing it as by then) and I mean a full lockdown - not the pretend one we have in force at the moment. This will, I believe, include professional/elite sport which from previous posts is obvious that I would fully support
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Yes indeed - my wife pointed out the problems this dentist was having getting through the beaurocracy. Absolutely ridiculous and yet the government claims to be recruiting Off duty cabin crew (presumably on the basis they have an acceptable level of first aid training)
I guess what the government claims and what they actually achieve are two different things having underdelivered on every single target they have set themselves so far. I suspect we can be no more than 7 to 10 days away from a full lockdown (or level 8 or 9 as we may be classing it as by then) and I mean a full lockdown - not the pretend one we have in force at the moment. This will, I believe, include professional/elite sport which from previous posts is obvious that I would fully support

The government just throw out sound bites to fill peoples heads. 

Meanwhile.............
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Originally posted by Member728 Member728 wrote:

Really cannot see the logistics of  starting  this season  in the championship

Some clubs have large numbers of  players who are not fully professional

 

Richmond does not have 1 full time professional rugby player on the books

So my questions  are

 

As an employer why would  I allow my employee to play rugby with a chance to  get this horrible disease  ?

 

Why would my employee want to play rugby ?

 

If over 65s are not going get their first jab until April how can we get crowds  ?

 

Promotion/Relegation

As National 1 season is cancelled how can you promote any team ?

 

Costs

If we start the season on March 6th

Covid tests would have to be done every week  it will cost each club 24k per month

Plus extra cost for travelling etc

Where is the income coming from ?


I would go further, with a short ‘season’ and no leagues under championship and not have promotion/relegation in the 2021/22 season. I think a lot of teams will need time to find their feet.

Next season, wasn’t that the one that the conference concept was being suggested.

If two clubs move up to Premiership, and with National 1, 2N and 2S reducing by two clubs would 2021/22 have 16 clubs?
Regional games 14, inter conference 8. Thus 22 games, which is the amount of league games we have been playing.
Do championship clubs plan to fill the void of the ‘league cup’ with something else? 
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Travel costs will be significant one local football team needed three coaches to take their team to an Away game so how many for a full squad plus additional staff? Alternative travel would entail either Plane or Train.
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Originally posted by Trailfinder Trailfinder wrote:

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The idea that rugby players can be 'trained up' to administer the vaccine is vacuous. Unless it is some form of manual or administrative work there is very little that professional rugby players can do directly assist in the roll out. What they are 'trained' to do is provide entertainment for fans of the sport, the current restrictions make it almost impossible to do anything else.

An informative article on the hoops that need to be jumped through to be eligible to administer the vaccine:


It will take professional and trained people to administer the vaccine but it will also require a national effort to administer the vaccine, including roles such as transporting people to have their jabs, getting information to them, stewarding them in safely which volunteers can do, so the country can get back to a degree of normality.
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St John's Ambulance are looking for volunteers - they will even train you to administer the vaccine.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jan 2021 at 14:08
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Fine - I can live with being called a "troll" What I am struggling to live with is the increasing threat of Covid caused by total irresponsibility amongst large proportions of the population, many of them from a sporting environment. Pointless me commenting further if I am not allowed my opinion

Yet again you are saying things that simply are not true and yet again you are avoiding the question put to you.

No one has said you aren't allowed an opinion of course you are.

I am also allowed an opinion and because you make things up and don't answer points raised my opinion remains that you are a troll.
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I refer the right honourable gentleman to my previous comment
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