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Saracens will be back in the Premiership next season even if they never play a game in the Championship. The Powers to be have already made that decision.
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PLEASE, can someone in a Senior Management role at the RFU comment on the above. 

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Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

So the week before the Championship play off final Sarries have a mass outbreak of Covid-19, are unable to put a team out for either play off match and therefore Ealing are awarded the automatic promotion place.....discuss

I can't, I'm still laughing at the thought!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Taffy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Dec 2020 at 12:30
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It speaks volumes that Saracens even then refused to open their books to the authorities and chose to take relegation instead
The precedence was set by the 45th President of the United States LOLLOLLOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jan 2021 at 15:42
Surely having trialled it with the womens pro15's that format woud be used - a 3 yr licence to be in th prem based upon meeting certain crteria which include but are not limited to on field results

Allows then to choose whatever criteria they want to come to the conclusion they want
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jan 2021 at 18:11
Watched the Bristol v Newcastle today (nearly missed it as the 19:30 ko became 15:00)

During the commentary the thoughts that there 'might not be any relegation from the premiership this season' were aired - what wasn't mentioned was whether there would be any promotion or not.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jan 2021 at 21:07
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Watched the Bristol v Newcastle today (nearly missed it as the 19:30 ko became 15:00)

During the commentary the thoughts that there 'might not be any relegation from the premiership this season' were aired - what wasn't mentioned was whether there would be any promotion or not.

Yes, I watched. They (BT Sport) were flagging that this topic will be discussed in their 'Rugby Tonight' slot on Sunday at 5.15pm after Tiggers v Barf.

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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Watched the Bristol v Newcastle today (nearly missed it as the 19:30 ko became 15:00)

During the commentary the thoughts that there 'might not be any relegation from the premiership this season' were aired - what wasn't mentioned was whether there would be any promotion or not.

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Yes, I watched. They (BT Sport) were flagging that this topic will be discussed in their 'Rugby Tonight' slot on Sunday at 5.15pm after Tiggers v Barf.



I will set a recording - it seems that ring-fencing is rising to the surface again - with or without Saracens remains to be seen.
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My New Years prediction.The pundits and Premier Clubs want a 14 team Premiership ringfenced after promoting Saracens and another "London" Club Ealing. It is going to be a fix and the RFU will not object because it suites the England team set up. Jones needs the Saracens players playing Premier Rugby. Ealing to share ground with Quins with their 300 live supporters made up with cardboard fans on seats.
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IMHO
13 teams ring fenced unless Ealing commit a boatload of cash!
Prem clubs will not want to divide their pot of gold more ways than necessary.
By having a weekend ‘off’ they can claim it is about player welfare.
Scrap the Premiership Cup.
All talk of Premiership/Championship Cup not feasible. Too many Championship clubs depend on DR/loan players too much so players would be playing against home clubs potentially.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jan 2021 at 11:18
Whilst i love the end of season excitement that relegation brings in some years, it is surely the sensible thing to do for the next 3 seasons to have no relegation from the Premiership. Outside of Saracens and Ealing no other Championship club has anywhere near the financial resources required to exist in the Premiership. No relegation would mean that the Premiership and Championship clubs could much more easily seek to operate within their resources. What is exciting me at the moment is the number of good young English players getting a chance in the premiership due to Covid-eg the Wasps half backs and the 21 year old Bristol hooker who yesterday was man of the match on his Premiership debut. Taking away the threat of relegation would allow clubs to give even more opportunities to these players rather than feel the need to import from the southern hemisphere to avoid the dire financial consequences of relegation.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Watched the Bristol v Newcastle today (nearly missed it as the 19:30 ko became 15:00)

During the commentary the thoughts that there 'might not be any relegation from the premiership this season' were aired - what wasn't mentioned was whether there would be any promotion or not.

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Yes, I watched. They (BT Sport) were flagging that this topic will be discussed in their 'Rugby Tonight' slot on Sunday at 5.15pm after Tiggers v Barf.



I will set a recording - it seems that ring-fencing is rising to the surface again - with or without Saracens remains to be seen.

I bet you my shirt, my house, my car, my pets etc that the Prem won't be ring-fenced with Sarries outside the fence...
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"I bet you my shirt, my house, my car, my pets etc that the Prem won't be ring-fenced with Sarries outside the fence..."
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You forgot to put your kids on the betting slip?!?! 
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Watched the Bristol v Newcastle today (nearly missed it as the 19:30 ko became 15:00)

During the commentary the thoughts that there 'might not be any relegation from the premiership this season' were aired - what wasn't mentioned was whether there would be any promotion or not.

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Yes, I watched. They (BT Sport) were flagging that this topic will be discussed in their 'Rugby Tonight' slot on Sunday at 5.15pm after Tiggers v Barf.


I will set a recording - it seems that ring-fencing is rising to the surface again - with or without Saracens remains to be seen.

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I bet you my shirt, my house, my car, my pets etc that the Prem won't be ring-fenced with Sarries outside the fence...


Unfair as it may be, I very much agree with you, the Premiership will be ring-fenced with Saracens added (wether or not they play a game this season).

The big question is will there also be a 14th team and if not will championship sides take the decision to court?
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

 
The big question is will there also be a 14th team and if not will championship sides take the decision to court?

I would expect a significant challenge to be put up - sufficient notice and planning time needs to be given to do this. And assuming that Ealing will finish 2nd is still a bit of a miscall in my opinion. A season disrupted by Covid-19 and not all matches being played is not, again in my opinion, a legitimate way of doing things. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jan 2021 at 09:07
A challenge to what end? What waste even more money they do not have? Do Doncaster or any other Championship club other than Saracens and possibly Ealing have the financial resources to not be an embarrassing addition to the Premiership? Remember London Welsh losing every game in a Premiership season? Ask any of the players from that squad what kind of season that was.
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Can I just ask, apart from throw a load of money at it.
What have Ealing done to deserve a place in the Prem?

If they had gone unbeaten each season apart from the Prem side thats come down I could understand it, but thats not the case, not at all! Have they been 20/30 points better than another side, over the last 4 seasons,no they have not!

Why should Ealing get a ticket, if there is one, because they have more funding than anybody else in the Champ.

Why not Doncaster and grown the game again the the north or Cornish and grown the game in the south west along with what Exeter have done.That would better for the game for sure.

I really cannot for the life of me see why it should be a shoe in for Ealing just because they are well backed at present!


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jan 2021 at 10:25
ST you have answered your own question -they are the only ones who can afford to even stand a chance of putting a squad together that will not be heavily beaten every week and thus be an embarrassment to the competition. All current Premiership teams, even those at the bottom end of the table, contain players of proven international calibre. Doncaster, Pirates or Jersey each only have a handful of players with some Premiership experience and have nowhere near the financial means to pay for players of the calibre required to be competitive.
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