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    Posted: 19 Dec 2020 at 16:26
So the South East are now in another lockdown, must delay any possible start if at all for 20/21.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Abbotsman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2020 at 16:51
Or forget it all together. To start a season now will end up very messy. Start a new season in full in September when hopefully life is back to some normality. As for Sarries, they are where they are for a reason.
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RFU have to come up with something that allows Saracens back into the Premiership, or face the legal battle that will ensue. 
Personally I think a second season in the Championship for the cheats is no bad thing, but I support community rugby and think RFU money should be spread among all clubs not just the top boys.
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"RFU have to come up with something that allows Saracens back into the Premiership, ...."
NO THEY DON"T. Not if they have even a smidgeon of integrity among themAngry
Come on Jersey........
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Don't  mention Rfu and integrity  in the same sentence. 
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The season is over, ridiculous to think otherwise . . reality to kick in. Start 21/22
Run with it
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Absolutely - I think hand on heart/brain that was the reality back in March but none of us wanted to accept the inevitable! 
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Originally posted by Westcoaster Westcoaster wrote:

"RFU have to come up with something that allows Saracens back into the Premiership, ...."
NO THEY DON"T. Not if they have even a smidgeon of integrity among themAngry
Its panto season so in that spirit "Oh yes they do"
Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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I guess they will try to have a season in some shape or form, even if it is 4 regional pools of 3 and the top of each goes to a semi and final somewhere in April/May/June. There won’t be relegation.

Blues, Ampthill, Sarries
Ealing, Scots, Richmond
Pirates, Jersey, Hartpury
Cov, Nottingham, Knights

That would be 4 games for the pool teams only and 6 games as a minimum for finalists but more like 8 to have 2 legged semi’s and finals. Whole season can be done in 2 months.

If the RFU committed to the reduced season funding for those 2 months it would be probably be financially viable without fans given furlough is covering a chunk of the wages costs currently.


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Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

I guess they will try to have a season in some shape or form, even if it is 4 regional pools of 3 and the top of each goes to a semi and final somewhere in April/May/June. There won’t be relegation.

Blues, Ampthill, Sarries
Ealing, Scots, Richmond
Pirates, Jersey, Hartpury
Cov, Nottingham, Knights

That would be 4 games for the pool teams only and 6 games as a minimum for finalists but more like 8 to have 2 legged semi’s and finals. Whole season can be done in 2 months.

If the RFU committed to the reduced season funding for those 2 months it would be probably be financially viable without fans given furlough is covering a chunk of the wages costs currently.



There is a lot of sense and realism in your suggestion - the only thing I would say is that such a truncated season should not have promotion or relegation.

I realise that the drive for a re-start is partly to get Saracens back in the premiership for Sept 21 season start - but as I have said before they cheated, then chose to be relegated and should not get any preferential treatment to get them back up.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 2020 at 14:30
I have always had the opinion that Saracens will never play in the Championship and I am even more convinced that this is the case.

Unfortunately.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 2020 at 21:02
I hardly think it's fair to try and extend the punishment handed out to Sarries after all even they cant be blamed for C19.

The 20/21 Prem season is ongoing but can it continue ?

Under the circumstances it makes sense to face up to the challenges facing the game not seek revenge.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 2020 at 21:49
Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

I hardly think it's fair to try and extend the punishment handed out to Sarries after all even they cant be blamed for C19.

The 20/21 Prem season is ongoing but can it continue ?

Under the circumstances it makes sense to face up to the challenges facing the game not seek revenge.




It would not be an extension of the punishment at all.

The punishment was 35 point deduction initially, which Saracens then opted to take relegation rather than offer up their books for further scrutiny (obviously had further things to hide). The points deduction was increased to 105 points merely to ensure they would be relegated.

There was no suggestion that this was for 1 season only as they would need to get promotion to return.

If the championship isn't played why should they not remain in the championship until they are promoted by winning the next available championship season - be that this season or 2030-31 or any season in between.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Dec 2020 at 09:46
Because it is professional sport and in rugby's case the RFU has allowed a huge problem to develop. 

I don't care either way but it is clear that the professional model in rugby is a real problem given the current situation.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

I hardly think it's fair to try and extend the punishment handed out to Sarries after all even they cant be blamed for C19.

The 20/21 Prem season is ongoing but can it continue ?

Under the circumstances it makes sense to face up to the challenges facing the game not seek revenge.




It would not be an extension of the punishment at all.

The punishment was 35 point deduction initially, which Saracens then opted to take relegation rather than offer up their books for further scrutiny (obviously had further things to hide). The points deduction was increased to 105 points merely to ensure they would be relegated.

There was no suggestion that this was for 1 season only as they would need to get promotion to return.

If the championship isn't played why should they not remain in the championship until they are promoted by winning the next available championship season - be that this season or 2030-31 or any season in between.

Spot on.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stadium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Dec 2020 at 14:24
All the London based pundits on this weeks BBC Rugby blog  think the Premiership will be ringfenced with probably 14 teams. They seem to be promoting Ealing with Saracens.Surprise Surprise.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Dec 2020 at 15:43
No way the Prem clubs will agree to split the money 14 ways especially after this financial season
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Originally posted by stadium stadium wrote:

All the London based pundits on this weeks BBC Rugby blog  think the Premiership will be ringfenced with probably 14 teams. They seem to be promoting Ealing with Saracens.Surprise Surprise.

So These London pundits want 2 London clubs locked in and given to the Premiership? How convenient!

Nah no chance of that, The Premiership cartel won't want Ealing in there. They aren't one of their pet projects like Exeter.
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Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

No way the Prem clubs will agree to split the money 14 ways especially after this financial season


Currently split 13 ways isn't it, so only a slight reduction - however I take your point re the financial problems most teams have currently
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Dec 2020 at 16:44
If that happens at theend fo this non season - you are going to need to promote some National 1 sides.
If you do that, would it make sense to do the big reorganisation in this long off season - rather than waiting for 2022.
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