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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 22:28
I have! Last year the Return was completed by me as Secretary passed to the President, Chairman and Treasurer for signature then submitted online as a pdf as well as ticking some boxes. This year it was all done online with the 4 of us signing electronically through GMS.

Those 4 roles are those that the RFU holds responsible for each Club.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 08:30
Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

I am sorry but if it takes 4 people to sign off a return it is obviously too complicated, this is an amateur at best semi - pro sport, run by enthusiasts and amateurs. Yes flagrant breaking of the rules should be punished but not simple clerical errors . . come on. Rams and PA have been very very harshly treated, and to impose a fine on either club at these times is simply madness . . .. I wonder what salary sacrifice Sweeney Todd has made?
But the RFU's attitude appears to be that if four people have to sign it, and three of them couldn't be bothered to check that the first person had done it correctly, then the club has been negligent.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 09:32
You have to wonder how often they do not bother to read the documents they sign in their day jobs.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 10:11
This isn't Rocket Science....use to be.
 
In the good old days (3 years ago) you had to manually fill out the form and send it to Nicky Cook. Who whilst she was a stickler for the rules she also very, very helpful. GMS has replaced all the manual entry bit and you basically have to answer some Yes/No Tick Boxes, if you don't understand the question you could still ask for help just don't press SEND until you were ready. It then required the other 3 "Golden" Role people to read and click confirm, kind of a anti-negligence check. So yes its sad they did PA for a clerical error but it looks a bit negligent to a man on a galloping horse does it not?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 11:15
I think this is the point, if only 1 person needed to sign it off there would be scope for errors either deliberate or accidental.

By having 4 signatories then any such errors should be highlighted before submission, assuming they actually read it through and don't just sign it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Redted Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 19:11
There is nothing to read through.  All the submission requires is a total figure spent on paying players and coaches, including taxable expenses.  For most clubs this a relatively simple figure to get correct, but gets more complicated where players have jobs linked to playing rugby for the club.  This is probably where Plymouth struggled.
No supporting documents are requested by the RFU.

In true GMS style thought the IT around the system only works when it want to!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camp Freddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 08:05
One problem with the declaration for lower clubs was when the Chairman was also the Treasurer and the guy who washed the kit as well as marking the pitches etc etc. GMS would not accept that someone could have multiple Golden Roles and went in to melt down.

I understand that governance are looking to drop the 4 signatories to 2 at lower league levels to ease the process. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 15:53
If your club cannot find four people to be on the committee how do they find 15 to turn out on Saturday.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Joy of (Level) 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Aug 2020 at 22:14
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

If your club cannot find four people to be on the committee how do they find 15 to turn out on Saturday.


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