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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tulip Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 09:51
Caldy's 2nd XV are a close 2nd in their league. 7 lads sat on the bench who may or may not get a game doesn't
make a lot of sense to me. So I think they do right. Are their any sides who don't have a 2nd XV in Nat 1?
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Yes, Plymouth for one.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 11:37
Blackheath have just pulled their 2s from the Zoo League.
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Birmingham Moseley Don't.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kingsheathlad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 12:40
I had Coventry,Plymouth and Ampthill in my pre season prediction.
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Roselyn park have no second team and Coventry have only just restored theirs under a development XV and while Loughborough have many teams they don’t have a second team that plays fixtures against other National League teams. While DMP have one they struggle for fixtures if memory serves me correct last time they played was November.
Sad as it is we have gone from 5 teams out every Saturday as little as 3 years ago to 1st and 5ths now. Cannot give a reason for this but there are several causes. Primarily at the top end we operate on pay per play so several fringe players were not getting the first team exposure they were expecting and have moved to other local clubs and are being paid in some cases more money. We will need a serious amount of players if we can revive the 2s next year. Before it becomes a topic it isn’t due to money but a lack of key players able to compete with the zoo league fixtures. We have however loaned out players to several local clubs and released some where loans were not possible and these all continue to train with the rest of the squad on Tuesdays
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Remember Izal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 14:03
I was told by one luminary at a well known London club a few years ago that they were thinking of scrapping their second team to save £50,000 a year. Well...... having picked myself up from under the table at the pre match lunch I went and supported the away team who only spent marginally more than that on their first team.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 15:27
Would very much depend on what league you play in Zoo league 1 has away trips to Cinderford, Jersey and used to be Plymouth a couple of years ago those trips are not cheap. Playing kit and stash, coaches & physios it would soon mount up. Would also depend if you were giving your 2s any kind of renumeration even giving £25 per game to cover travel expenses suddenly becomes £12.5k for 20 man squad for 25 games.
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from the outside looking in I would say that Rosslyn Park have been a big disappointment. I expected them to be comfortably top half if not pushing for top 4. this is a bit controversial but I think Plymouth have slightly underachieved because I thought they had the 2nd best squad after Coventry. I think they should have mounted a stronger challenge for the title. I stand to be corrected but that's just my impression.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Flish Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 10:45
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

While DMP have one they struggle for fixtures if memory serves me correct last time they played was November.

Yup, and true to form this weeks opponents have cancelled on us, not sure they've played in 2018
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote openthegate Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 10:56
They played Harrogate a couple of weeks ago in the NPL
They lost 54-26 on the 3rd Feb
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Harder to call re Albion with 3/22 games postponed and as yet un-played. A solid fixture list through to the end of the season will do us no favours, though. A couple one point losses at the death away to London clubs hasn't helped our overall standing. Nor have recent/present injuries to key players.

We have our toughest home game to date on Sat v DMP which will show which of us has claim to the runners-up slot. 

You could argue that the UA tag could go the to the team with most draws which would mean Ampthill, but at least they have over-achieved elsewhere to keep themselves up in the top four.

Agree that the leaders have effectively won the league by over-achievement - but that's down to everyone else, really. The "lesser" teams who have run them close (and Blackheath, of course) deserve the kudos. The sternest of tests awaits us when Cov visit Brickfields next month.
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Originally posted by kingsheathlad kingsheathlad wrote:

Birmingham Moseley Don't.
Eh? Have you overlooked Moseley Oak? 
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck....plays at Billesley, called Moseley, play in Moseley colours, in Midlands 1? 

http://www.englandrugby.com/fixtures-and-results/competitions/midlands-division/2017-2018/group/22845#/table  


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Originally posted by Bill Sley Bill Sley wrote:

Originally posted by kingsheathlad kingsheathlad wrote:

Birmingham Moseley Don't.
Eh? Have you overlooked Moseley Oak? 
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck....plays at Billesley, called Moseley, play in Moseley colours, in Midlands 1? 

http://www.englandrugby.com/fixtures-and-results/competitions/midlands-division/2017-2018/group/22845#/table  

I was thinking more of a second team of NL 1 sides that play in zoo league, where as Oak are in another league and would not consider as our second team as players from it could not play in Moseley team one week and then Oak the following or have I got this wrong.
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Originally posted by Bill Sley Bill Sley wrote:

Originally posted by kingsheathlad kingsheathlad wrote:

Birmingham Moseley Don't.
Eh? Have you overlooked Moseley Oak? 
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck....plays at Billesley, called Moseley, play in Moseley colours, in Midlands 1? 

http://www.englandrugby.com/fixtures-and-results/competitions/midlands-division/2017-2018/group/22845#/table  

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You know it is a separate club - if players move between teams RFU paperwork is required. It is not a Birmingham Moseley 2nd XV
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Originally posted by Moseley Mauler Moseley Mauler wrote:

Originally posted by Bill Sley Bill Sley wrote:

Originally posted by kingsheathlad kingsheathlad wrote:

Birmingham Moseley Don't.
Eh? Have you overlooked Moseley Oak? 
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck....plays at Billesley, called Moseley, play in Moseley colours, in Midlands 1? 

http://www.englandrugby.com/fixtures-and-results/competitions/midlands-division/2017-2018/group/22845#/table  

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You know it is a separate club - if players move between teams RFU paperwork is required. It is not a Birmingham Moseley 2nd XV
I do indeed MM...........hence my 'looks like a duck' comment. Would you consider if 'officially' a 2nd team if they got one more promotion which would allow movement on loan? Right now it's the recommended  route to adult rugby for our M&Js/Colts (which was why it was established) and where players from outside the area/new to the area would be encouraged to play if they aspire to a Mose 1st team slot. So definitely some quacking Wink


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