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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2020 at 21:18
Well on the female side for years Richmond has had the top level women's side and LS has run the girls set up (i beleive something to sdo with Tyrell's Prem clubs that hosted a Centre of excellence not also being meant to run a club u18 side) be interesting to see what happens this next 3 seasons with Richmond dropping to the championship, will Richmond develop a U18's and will it impact LS U18's (area finalists 2018/19 season)


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All good honest rivalry, be nice when we can actually play.
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You could even start a London Scottish  / Richmond thread  !!Wink
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I hope not.
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Listening to Geoff on his podcast it sounds like we have a three year deal with Northampton that he said is a merger. We will have a squad of approximately fifteen players the rest of the squad will be made up of Northampton  players. Not sure if I like it at all .
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Originally posted by Rugbyfan Rugbyfan wrote:

Listening to Geoff on his podcast it sounds like we have a three year deal with Northampton that he said is a merger. We will have a squad of approximately fifteen players the rest of the squad will be made up of Northampton  players. Not sure if I like it at all .
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Originally posted by Rugbyfan Rugbyfan wrote:

Listening to Geoff on his podcast it sounds like we have a three year deal with Northampton that he said is a merger. We will have a squad of approximately fifteen players the rest of the squad will be made up of Northampton  players. Not sure if I like it at all .
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So Bedford have sold their soul and should be re-named Northampton A for next season whenever it starts.
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Originally posted by Capt Sparrow Capt Sparrow wrote:

So Bedford have sold their soul and should be re-named Northampton A for next season whenever it starts.

Not so much "sold their soul" but taking the only lifeline available after RFU funding reduction and the financial straits from Covid-19. So many businesses have been unable to weather the storm and have collapsed into administration, this was a lifeline for Bedford
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Originally posted by Taffy Taffy wrote:

Originally posted by Capt Sparrow Capt Sparrow wrote:

So Bedford have sold their soul and should be re-named Northampton A for next season whenever it starts.


Not so much "sold their soul" but taking the only lifeline available after RFU funding reduction and the financial straits from Covid-19. So many businesses have been unable to weather the storm and have collapsed into administration, this was a lifeline for Bedford


Agreed, funny enough Covid-19 (combined by the reduction in RFU funding) may herald the pairing up between Premiership/Championship teams that the RFU mooted a couple of years ago.

I'm sure ring-fencing will be brought up again.
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If I were a Bedford man I would not be happy with that.  Rather play a couple of levels lower
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Greg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2020 at 12:21
Originally posted by Moseley Mauler Moseley Mauler wrote:

If I were a Bedford man I would not be happy with that.  Rather play a couple of levels lower
I am a Bedford man and I am happy with that and would not want to play a couple of leagues lower.
Of course I would prefer to have full financial independence and total control over the direction in which the club wants to travel. Sadly the current, and unfolding, uncertainty of Championship League rugby makes this liaison (or merger) all the more sensible in order to give the club and its supporters something on which to go forward.
At this level the days of clubs playing exclusively with home-grown, local lads is long gone and we all ship in players from anywhere and everywhere to put a competitive squad together. The fact remains that Bedford and Northampton are both East Midlands clubs with a long history of players representing both teams.
Bedford in recent years have been labelled as Leicester, Saints and Saracens second XV, no different to the arrangements other Championship clubs have had with their local Premiership sides. The only difference I can see with this arrangement is that it has been more publicly discussed.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Moseley Mauler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2020 at 12:43
But hasn't he said it is a "merger". Doesn't that make it different?
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Unlike with DRs, this is a more formal arrangement with a tightly worded contract. One of the key things Geoff Irvine was keen to point out is that the players are named in the contract and it stipulates where there is a fixture clash with an A league/cup game, Bedford have priority with their selection and the only scenario they are allowed to be called up to Saints is if they are in the squad for a league/European game. This is different to other arrangements we have had. 

I would also say our squad will be slightly higher than 15. We’ve got 10 signed, 6 players due to re-sign and about 5 or so new signings we’re hoping to make so squad will be a touch over 20 probably. We’re not offering any contracts until we have a start date and confirmation of funding levels so we can set a budget. Again, confused how other clubs have been able to set budgets with absolutely no idea of what/when their income will be. It’s an odd way of running a business.

I’m not overly happy with the situation, but also appreciate there isn’t much else we could’ve done. I’d rather this than drop down a league and to suggest a club that attracts over 2500 through the gates every week should have to drop down a league so clubs with with a sugar daddy and under 1000 rattling around can play in the Champ doesn’t seem very beneficial to the league. I’m hoping situation is temporary. If all clubs in this league wanted to balance their books, they’d all have to be making similar arrangements. What the deal does mean is that I’m confident Bedford will still exist in 3 years time when all of this has settled down and I would bet money that at least 1 championship club will not survive the same period unfortunately.
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As a Blues fan, not knowing how much funding we will get and Geoff Irvine thinking capacity could be halved to start off with, helping to keep the club alive is a good thing. We have been doing this since 2003 as well so the club knows how to manage the partnership.

Also to those that say that there could be a loss of identity, Bedford School provide many academy players to Northampton and even the Blues did previously to Saints, so some of these “Northampton” players will actually be playing at their hometown club.

I see this as a insurance policy to make sure the best supported club (and profitable) in the division (excl. Club 13) survive in these uncertain times. This actually helps supply a little extra financial support to other clubs in the division from the travelling fans. A winning Blues team (hopefully) is good for the division as the travelling support increases.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2020 at 15:49
Originally posted by Rugbyfan Rugbyfan wrote:

Listening to Geoff on his podcast it sounds like we have a three year deal with Northampton that he said is a merger. We will have a squad of approximately fifteen players the rest of the squad will be made up of Northampton  players. Not sure if I like it at all .
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I've not listened to the podcast but the use of the word merger would suggest two becoming one.  That is obviously not the case here as both clubs are remaining separate entities. It appears just to be a loan deal. 


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"Merger" is used, as is the 3 year term. A 3 page heads of argument document is referred to as well. Hardly a detailed document then. I am taking this is the initial areas to look at to see what works - given how and when it's been drawn up it's difficult to see it as much more than that for now.

I think the more important point is that it will secure rugby at Goldington Road for the next few years. Whereas with a 50% RFU funding cut (and how many of think that will be the end of it? The implication made was that if the RFU doesn't get income from Autumn International games that this could drop to zero for the 20/21 season) and a loss of 4 or 5 (my memory fades) home games this season, and the start of next not being until 2021 (at the earliest) that must have been in doubt over the last few months. 

A further point in the podcast was that the Championship will not look anything like the same in 3 or so years time. And those who have seen the front page of today's Rugby Paper (referring to Edward Griffiths 76 page report) will have some indication of what they might be. 

So lot's of changes likely. The security of a 3 year deal with Saints through this time looks hugely attractive to me. 

Towards the end of this period then let's have another look at it and mark it as a success or failure at that point. But doing the same things and expecting the same old outcomes would look a worse decision in my book.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dan Gleebles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2020 at 18:05
As a supporter there is little you can do except vote with your feet. 
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Originally posted by Dan Gleebles Dan Gleebles wrote:

As a supporter there is little you can do except vote with your feet. 

Like many others, been there done that, also seen some good rugby elsewhere.
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Originally posted by McGee McGee wrote:

Originally posted by Dan Gleebles Dan Gleebles wrote:

As a supporter there is little you can do except vote with your feet. 

Like many others, been there done that, also seen some good rugby elsewhere.
With Saints behind them Blues will surely be top 4 and a winning side at GR will pack them in and ensure a great atmosphere. For the purists I suspect there will be cracking club rugby nearby at Amps. I hope to see both but can the Saints imports wear their club socks please? Winning rugby must be really important I guess.

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