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    Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 21:02
So is this the way forward,  Championship "clubs" to be A league / second team for  Premiership clubs. I can see it making financial sense for both parties, but then does a club like Bedford lose its identity?

Presumably Nottingham - Leicester next . . . 
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Bedford Saints, maybe.

Edited by KnightsBoy - 25 Jun 2020 at 21:17
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Bedhampton - Desperate times lead to desperate measures for survival. No need to ring fence the Premiership with moves such as these. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tigerburnie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 21:52
Leicester has had close ties with many clubs over the years, Nottingham and Bedford have had close ties in the past and at the next level Loughboro' Students, Hinckley and Leicester Lions have "arrangements" with Tigers players coaching and playing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Blues Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 21:59
I think Blues are going back to the model tigerburnie says

When the league was more semi-pro we were successful having decent young players from the Premiership with money then spent on decent player of our own.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jun 2020 at 22:23
Starts to feel a bit pointless when you go down this route . . . and  your club just becomes a play thing for  a Premiership side . . we all like to see our teams win but! In my opinion Prem and Championship clubs need to be sustainable and if that means smaller squads, then all the better. More players playing more rugby and if you shine in Nat1 or Championship a Prem club will come for you.

But shipping players in and out really does nothing for the Champ Clubs and they will become souless  . ..  a bit like a certain west country team!!!
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If this is what it's coming to (and it's obviously what PRL and the RFU want), then I'm out.
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Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Starts to feel a bit pointless when you go down this route . . . and  your club just becomes a play thing for  a Premiership side . . we all like to see our teams win but! In my opinion Prem and Championship clubs need to be sustainable and if that means smaller squads, then all the better. More players playing more rugby and if you shine in Nat1 or Championship a Prem club will come for you.

But shipping players in and out really does nothing for the Champ Clubs and they will become souless  . ..  a bit like a certain west country team!!!

When Blues first did this they were allocated certain players for the whole season (effectively their players) and then extra ones on loan when there were injuries, just like all clubs do from time to time.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 07:05
Listened to the Lancashire Rugby Podcast last week they had Mick Hogan of Falcons on and I'm pretty sure he describes Prem Clubs using Champ/Nat 1 Clubs as feeders/nurseries for up and coming players. He also said bin the A League and get the Premiership "fringe"players " playing against experienced players in the Championship/Nat 1 to learn their "trade". Talked a lot of sense, IMHO.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fly Half Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 07:07
Totally understandable from a financial viewpoint but destroys the little integrity the Championship had remaining.

Frankly,more satisfying to watch say a local level 6/7 club.
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Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

If this is what it's coming to (and it's obviously what PRL and the RFU want), then I'm out.

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The Gloucester / Hartbury rationale is gaining momentum
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The Northampton/Bedford move could prove very beneficial but only if the A league is totally abandoned. Prem senior and academy squads will be smallest ever this coming season and they will not let players play on a Saturday for a Champ team if their is an A league match the following Monday. Last season Quins and Irish had to borrow players  to have enough for most A league squad matches. For the development of Academy players playing in the current Championship is much better than just meaningless A league matches but the integrity of the Championship clubs will disappear a la Hartpury. Current National One will become the pinnacle of non full time club rugby
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JohnLowe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 09:40
So now it’s Bedford Saints. Before that it was Bedford Sarries and before that Bedford Tigers. How long before it becomes Bedford Ampthill😀
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Capt Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 09:52
Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Starts to feel a bit pointless when you go down this route . . . and  your club just becomes a play thing for  a Premiership side . . we all like to see our teams win but! In my opinion Prem and Championship clubs need to be sustainable and if that means smaller squads, then all the better. More players playing more rugby and if you shine in Nat1 or Championship a Prem club will come for you.

But shipping players in and out really does nothing for the Champ Clubs and they will become souless  . ..  a bit like a certain west country team!!!

Hope you are not alluding to the Pirates sir.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bedfordian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 09:54
Think the reaction is a little extreme to this news.  Nearly all the clubs in the Championship have a deal with local Prem Clubs already..... load players, injured players coming back, season loans etc etc.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 10:43
Originally posted by Capt Sparrow Capt Sparrow wrote:

Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Starts to feel a bit pointless when you go down this route . . . and  your club just becomes a play thing for  a Premiership side . . we all like to see our teams win but! In my opinion Prem and Championship clubs need to be sustainable and if that means smaller squads, then all the better. More players playing more rugby and if you shine in Nat1 or Championship a Prem club will come for you.

But shipping players in and out really does nothing for the Champ Clubs and they will become souless  . ..  a bit like a certain west country team!!!

Hope you are not alluding to the Pirates sir.

I assumed it was Hartpury.  I guess you think of them as Northerners, though!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Capt Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 11:06
Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by Capt Sparrow Capt Sparrow wrote:

Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

Starts to feel a bit pointless when you go down this route . . . and  your club just becomes a play thing for  a Premiership side . . we all like to see our teams win but! In my opinion Prem and Championship clubs need to be sustainable and if that means smaller squads, then all the better. More players playing more rugby and if you shine in Nat1 or Championship a Prem club will come for you.

But shipping players in and out really does nothing for the Champ Clubs and they will become souless  . ..  a bit like a certain west country team!!!

Hope you are not alluding to the Pirates sir.

I assumed it was Hartpury.  I guess you think of them as Northerners, though!

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Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

The Northampton/Bedford move could prove very beneficial but only if the A league is totally abandoned. Prem senior and academy squads will be smallest ever this coming season and they will not let players play on a Saturday for a Champ team if their is an A league match the following Monday. Last season Quins and Irish had to borrow players  to have enough for most A league squad matches. For the development of Academy players playing in the current Championship is much better than just meaningless A league matches but the integrity of the Championship clubs will disappear a la Hartpury. Current National One will become the pinnacle of non full time club rugby

There isn't much difference to what has happened in the past few years.  Some clubs work closely with Premiership clubs, others work with their own developed squads.  From what we can see so far of next seasons plans, it's much the same. Pirates, Donny, Jersey, Richmond and Ealing and probably others looking to do what they have always done with Hartpury and Bedford following a similar model to what they have previously done. Maybe different alliances, but similar models.  Which is right, which is wrong?  Don't know but what's for certain is that each club has retained its own identity and overall the brand of rugby at this level has been excellent whatever the model.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2020 at 11:37
I did say Bedford would manage to pull something out of the hat.  If it works for them then good luck to them - I suspect as alluded to above a certain number of players will be assigned season long and then some loan players as and when needed. The coaching and training could be a good thing for the Blues. The fears that loss of identity may arise is something that the club and fans will have to resolve.

Just don't become a Hartpury.
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