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    Posted: 06 Nov 2016 at 09:33
Well Mr Turner you take a pop in your local media at Fylde who you say beg and borrow players and how you identified weaknesses in their line out and scrum.
I look forward to your post match comments
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2016 at 10:12
Don't worry the Ampthill net is cruising around the south seas now to bring in there local talent. Mr Turner made similar comments before we played them but at least was honest after the game. It's the norm for coaches to big up their own team and dis the opposition nothing new in that.
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To be accurate, it was DoR Lavery, not Paul Turner, who made the comments to the Bedfordshire local paper. I would have thought that if DoRs and coaches had learnt anything then they would resist putting down opponents in advance. Lavery did say that he wanted an arm wrestle, with his forwards dominating the game. And his squad certainly tried to do that. But the Fylde defence was up to the task and their backs were much more penetrative, despite the visitors' similarly strong rear guard.

It was an excellent, tense and exciting match despite a 0-0 1st half and much lower scoring than we expect at the Woodlands. And 17 of the 20 Fylde players were born or brought up in Lancashire Palatine. The visiting Ampthill supporters were good value and did their club proud.


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no need for nasties

well done Fylde fantastic result 

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Originally posted by mightypen mightypen wrote:

Well Mr Turner you take a pop in your local media at Fylde who you say beg and borrow players and how you identified weaknesses in their line out and scrum.
I look forward to your post match comments


What do you expect him to say.

 - he hasn't got a clue how Fylde play or their set up and his team will probably lose?

It never ceases to amaze me how people will take umbrage against the most anodyne stuff the DORs will churn out for every game because they have to say something to the press.

All teams beg and borrow players, including Ampthill, that is after all what DRs are.

As is his way I imagine his post match comments will be to congratulate Fylde on playing well before concentrating on the weak points of Ampthill's game and saying they will work on them in training this week.

Again what do you really expect him to say?
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Originally posted by mightypen mightypen wrote:

Well Mr Turner you take a pop in your local media at Fylde who you say beg and borrow players and how you identified weaknesses in their line out and scrum.
I look forward to your post match comments
Hmmm

It's Ampthill, not Amptill

It was DoR Mark Lavery not Head Coach Paul Turner

Ampthill's dual registered players were all playing in the British & Irish cup

Paul Turners post match tweet


Apart from the above, good job


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Originally posted by Fat Albert Fat Albert wrote:

Originally posted by mightypen mightypen wrote:

Well Mr Turner you take a pop in your local media at Fylde who you say beg and borrow players and how you identified weaknesses in their line out and scrum.
I look forward to your post match comments
Hmmm

It's Ampthill, not Amptill

It was DoR Mark Lavery not Head Coach Paul Turner

Ampthill's dual registered players were all playing in the British & Irish cup

Paul Turners post match tweet


Apart from the above, good job


He could also have read both the preview and match report from our website before sounding off as both of them state that Ampthill see Fylde as the club structure they'd like to emulate and the template for how a good community club should be run.

But Mr Lavery's remarks were obviously bandied around at Fylde to try and generate some anger at the visitors and maybe it worked. But they must have gone to a fair amount of trouble to find a copy of Bedfordshire on Sunday ( or wherever the report was ) in order to work themselves up into a righteous rage about how we were disparaging them Smile

Trouble is how much more anodyne can a DoR's pre-match remarks get before he is just repeating who they are playing, when and where?


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Originally posted by Baggins Baggins wrote:

... Trouble is how much more anodyne can a DoR's pre-match remarks get before he is just repeating who they are playing, when and where?

I take your point Baggins. We don't want anodyne, repetitive clichés. Mark Lavery told the Bedfordshire local paper:

"We are a complete contrast to the way Fylde play. We're a power team and will go after them at the heart at what they stand for; we'll be looking at the forward pack, the scrummage, the line-out, the breakdown and we'll be confronting them, but if we get into their loose game they'll win. Needless to say we're looking forward to the first scrum."

Nothing wrong with that analysis whatsoever. And it proved very true. It was just that Fylde's pack stood up to the physical challenge and the whole team flourished in broken play, with off-loading and slick passing and running. As anyone can see looking at their results this season and last, sometimes this approach works splendidly (mainly at home, it has to be said), whilst on other occasions it has failed miserably (mainly away from the Woodlands).

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Originally posted by Allan Foster Allan Foster wrote:

Originally posted by Baggins Baggins wrote:

... Trouble is how much more anodyne can a DoR's pre-match remarks get before he is just repeating who they are playing, when and where?

I take your point Baggins. We don't want anodyne, repetitive clichés. Mark Lavery told the Bedfordshire local paper:

"We are a complete contrast to the way Fylde play. We're a power team and will go after them at the heart at what they stand for; we'll be looking at the forward pack, the scrummage, the line-out, the breakdown and we'll be confronting them, but if we get into their loose game they'll win. Needless to say we're looking forward to the first scrum."

Nothing wrong with that analysis whatsoever. And it proved very true. It was just that Fylde's pack stood up to the physical challenge and the whole team flourished in broken play, with off-loading and slick passing and running. As anyone can see looking at their results this season and last, sometimes this approach works splendidly (mainly at home, it has to be said), whilst on other occasions it has failed miserably (mainly away from the Woodlands).



Quite, the quote is honest and reflected the way that Ampthill approached the game, I was surprised that anyone could see it as a slight on Fylde, who are a club that Ampthill obviously admire greatly and wish to emulate.

In the end the game turned on a Fergie Time penalty after both sides had nullified the others perceived strengths - Ampthill couldn't dominate Fylde upfront and Fylde couldn't prosper from open play ( which means that Ampthill must have been working on their poor open field defense ) at least on the score board.

Sounds like an enthralling match played by two good teams with contrasting styles of play.
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Interesting points given the amount of times Mr Nelson winged about Dual Reg players
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Originally posted by Remember Izal Remember Izal wrote:

Interesting points given the amount of times Mr Nelson winged about Dual Reg players
I don't recollect former 'winger' Nellie 'whinging' about DRs, only commenting that they could have a major effect on match outcomes. He used DRs and loan players very occasionally throughout his two spells as Fylde coach. Anyway, he hasn't been involved at the Woodlands since April 2015. Arnie is his own man, as everyone will recognise.
 
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'Head coach Mark Nelson admitted Tynedale’s star power proved too much as a raft of Newcastle Falcons loanees condemned his Fylde team to another defeat at this unhappy hunting ground'
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Originally posted by Allan Foster Allan Foster wrote:

Originally posted by Remember Izal Remember Izal wrote:

Interesting points given the amount of times Mr Nelson winged about Dual Reg players
I don't recollect former 'winger' Nellie 'whinging' about DRs, only commenting that they could have a major effect on match outcomes. He used DRs and loan players very occasionally throughout his two spells as Fylde coach. Anyway, he hasn't been involved at the Woodlands since April 2015. Arnie is his own man, as everyone will recognise.
 
“I was speaking to Dean Richards at the game and on the day the team that deserved to win did so,” said Nelson. "I think the difference was the players they brought in ..."

which is what I recalled.
 
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Oh lest we forget Tynedale never paid a penny to or for any player.......
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