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Well, dangerous for tackle in Marler's case. I cannot find any medical advice that calls testicle squeezing a minor action. Read about the cringeing potential of harming this sensitive body part.Not nice for the recipient!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 09:27
I hope that this ban will deter others. Rugby is controlled violence, not an excuse for activities which would land you in court in any other context. If Marler were to be charged with indecent assault, he'd be found guilty without doubt. I was involved in a case where a lad humorously knocked a lady's burka off. It led to a scrap with the husband and the lad was found guilty of assault.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote backrowb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 11:30
I think that AWJ handled this matter perfectly. Cannot understand how anyone thinks otherwise
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 12:10
Yes he was dignified and low key. I expect he's ignored many provocations in his long career.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 12:35
I think the issue is trying to explain to anyone why Marler receives a 10 week ban for an action with no malice attached whilst the French prop, who's action could have blinded/broke the eye socket of the Scots player, receives a 3 week ban. Anyone out there explain that to me pls?
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Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

I think the issue is trying to explain to anyone why Marler receives a 10 week ban for an action with no malice attached whilst the French prop, who's action could have blinded/broke the eye socket of the Scots player, receives a 3 week ban. Anyone out there explain that to me pls?


The French prop should have received a minimum of 10 weeks, punching has almost been removed from the game (and rightly so) - it would appear that the punishment level hasn't changed from the time it was an every game occurrence.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 14:17
There's a picture floating about of Marler receiving a nipple tweak at the same time as his fondle. Had he been identifying as female the perpetrator would have hit a 10 week ban also. 

Edited by FHLH - 13 Mar 2020 at 14:17
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Originally posted by grooveavenue13 grooveavenue13 wrote:

Well, dangerous for tackle in Marler's case. I cannot find any medical advice that calls testicle squeezing a minor action. Read about the cringeing potential of harming this sensitive body part.Not nice for the recipient!

All very interesting but totally irrelevant as absolutely no one involved has suggested squeezing occurred.  

As for the ten week ban it is harsh for what Marler did but perfectly correct for his stupidity in doing it in my opinion.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 21:44
I think AWJ has lost all credibility within the game, he’s turned on a teammate doing nothing more than having a joke!
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Originally posted by Onion Hawk Onion Hawk wrote:

With all due respect, Sid moans about officiating, decisions and the officials on a weekly basis, I’m not entirely sure he is a good barometer for what is right and judicious here.  Minimum ban for the offence is 12 weeks, maximum 208 weeks, he got 10.  

It was stupid and all to do with it being the Marler show than anything else.  The game needs characters, I’m not sure it needs clowns.

Should the French lad have got more, probably.

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If you were up to date this season you would have noticed a distinct decrease in my observations on match officials. This is due to a general improvement by some but by no means all.

I believe Marler has been treated harshly. I may not be the 'barometer' you require but, Danny Care, Paul Gustard, Jonathan Davies and Will Carling all  appear to agree with me, as do many others. Will they do?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 09:48
Interesting article in BBC News re: Grabbing of genitals in rugby.
By interesting, I mean it was good to hear opinion and views from other rugby players. There are also a couple of ludicrous tweets from over reactive individuals who are probably hoarding toilet rolls and pasta.

We had another chat about this in our rugby club yesterday. All there agreed that Marler did not 'grab' AWJ's genitals and the 10 week ban is very harsh.
We agreed that this is what happens when the media get hold of something and our 'powers that be' over react.
We all agreed that Marler had been silly and that a suitable punishment would be Marler donating his match fee to Testicular Cancer research.
I call that common sense from some people who understand our game.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 10:09
Unfortunately, Syd, that kind of suitable bespoke 'punishment' is not one they can impose. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stonehousealbion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 2020 at 00:01
Load of grey areas here and the usual range of under/over-reaction. (Nowt wrong wi' that!)

1. I believe many womens' clubs have an informal protocol for declaring your sexual orientation on joining to contextualise certain types of physical contact. Surely three bum pinches in one game by a single player merits some kind of a word being had at some kind of level.

2. The sanctity of the male genitalia in sport is not absolute; witness the controlled ribaldry of pundits when some unfortunate gets struck in the lower abdominal area during a test match.

3. Close on 15 years ago, there was a player in Oz disciplined for serially inserting his finger where the sun don't shine during rucks. That's the far end of the spectrum, but everyone should be protected from that, right?

4. The commonplace "bum pat", is that a modern (ie professional) era thing? Would it have earned you a bunch of fives in the tongue cupboard in days gone by?

You have to wonder whether Marler ened up thinking, "If I got 10 weeks for a fondle, maybe I should have squeeezed a bit harder..."
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I couldn't understand what all the Fuss was about,  I've paid up to £50 at our local S+M parlour for similar attension.  Maybe Joe would be cheaper.  Ouch Wink
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Originally posted by stonehousealbion stonehousealbion wrote:

3. Close on 15 years ago, there was a player in Oz disciplined for serially inserting his finger where the sun don't shine during rucks. That's the far end of the spectrum, but everyone should be protected from that, right?
John Hopoate... rugby league player with the odd 'stiff index finger' tackle technique. Reputation as the most suspended player of the modern era. Even merits an entry on his wiki page 


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"During a 2001 clash with the North Queensland Cowboys, Hopoate, in an attempt to unsettle several of his opponents, inserted his finger in three players' anuses, the first occurring during the seventh minute of play. At the conclusion of the match the matter was immediately referred to the rugby league judiciary on 28 March. Hopoate was suspended for 12 weeks for what one Commissioner referred to as "disgusting, violent, offensive behaviour".

Hopoate claimed in front of the panel of judges that he was simply attempting to give all three players wedgie with his fingers, denying he had done anything wrong and that he was "a great believer in what happens on the field should stay there".

The three victims in the case all disagreed with the reasoning put forward by Hopoate and his team. Jones stated, "It wasn't a wedgie. That's when your pants are pulled up your hazelnut. I think I know the difference between a wedgie and someone sticking their finger up my bum", while Bowman stated that he was "disgusted" and "couldn't believe it". Hopoate was officially found guilty of 'unsportsmanlike interference'.



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Whilst the Welsh are winning, everything's fine.....when they start losing they start whinging!!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Toulouse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 09:58
Originally posted by WINGER14 WINGER14 wrote:

I couldn't understand what all the Fuss was about,  I've paid up to £50 at our local S+M parlour for similar attension.  Maybe Joe would be cheaper.  Ouch Wink
Cheaper but not as good looking, maybe!!!!
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

I think the issue is trying to explain to anyone why Marler receives a 10 week ban for an action with no malice attached whilst the French prop, who's action could have blinded/broke the eye socket of the Scots player, receives a 3 week ban. Anyone out there explain that to me pls?


The French prop should have received a minimum of 10 weeks, punching has almost been removed from the game (and rightly so) - it would appear that the punishment level hasn't changed from the time it was an every game occurrence.

Law makers to blame not the disciplinary panel
His 10 week ban will be over soon!!!!
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