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    Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 08:19
With the RFU Adult Game Review still rolling along has anyone any view expressed or not on League size?
 
I ask this as no one seems to know what is going on other than carefully crafted leaks oops releases of information on progress and debates continuing.
 
Has anyone been contacted and asked an opinion? Wink  If you haven't and then ask the question as to why not.
 
Is it a talking point in yoiur Club?    If not why not!
 
This is going to affect the whole game but from my visits to other Clubs during the season I have never no not heard it discussed as a topic and it is such an impotant topic, as we will all be affected in some way or another.
 
Am I missing something or are we going along blindfolded into potential wholesale change and no one is doing anything about it? Ouch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 08:37
I don't know what you're talking about.

Not a snide dismissal, a confirmation of what you are saying.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 09:37
Nor do I know anything about it and, given the title, I was nervous opening the thread as I thought it may have been a spam hit....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 11:22
The RFU Competitions Sub-Committee met on 19th Feb and received a report on the progress of the Review.

The Group have been considering proposals (called a Straw Man!) "which have a number of options relating to travel, promotion and relegation [and a separate one on 2nd team competition.] The Straw Man is now being further developed to be clear on the assumptions on which it is built and the evidence underlying these ..."

"...following that and assuming the assumptions are validated, the Straw Men proposals will be taken out to consultation at the end of Q2/start of Q3. The priority agreed is to consult first with the Competition sub-committee, the DOC’s and NCA member clubs. Wider consultation will take place as necessary after that."

NB "A straw-man proposal is a brainstormed simple draft proposal intended to generate discussion of its disadvantages and to provoke the generation of new and better proposals." [Wikipedia]

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 15:35
" it is such an impotant topic,"
Just another freudian slip or just maybe Ally Pie has hit the bulls eye.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 18:05
Originally posted by bullwhip griffen bullwhip griffen wrote:

" it is such an impotant topic,"
Just another freudian slip or just maybe Ally Pie has hit the bulls eye.
 
Ooops sorry about that but at least it gained a response!
 
I like the Strax Man explanation but I wish I knew what it really means and who will be deconstructing the|Straw Man?
 
By the time this comes back to the Clubs I have a sneaky feeling consultation may be lip service.
 
If we are to be changed yet again then when will it be?
 
Will there be a full seasons notice or will it be done in haste like the Burwell trip?
 
I smell a cunning plan (plot)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 23:12
Burwell RFC - one of East Anglia's hidden gems ...... Hug
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 09:14
A note of seriousness now. Straw dogs = sloppy strategy and a pretence once again at consultation.
Better to complete a full appraisal of the present structure and its strengths and weaknesses.
Comparisons are also useful. Then explore say up to 5 alternatives each with arguments for and against.
Any change has to deliver better competition and better player development down to level 5, the pathway to the pro game for talented teenagers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 07:46
Originally posted by bullwhip griffen bullwhip griffen wrote:

A note of seriousness now. Straw dogs = sloppy strategy and a pretence once again at consultation.
Better to complete a full appraisal of the present structure and its strengths and weaknesses.
Comparisons are also useful. Then explore say up to 5 alternatives each with arguments for and against.
Any change has to deliver better competition and better player development down to level 5, the pathway to the pro game for talented teenagers.
 
The Adult Game Review is what it says on the Tin.
 
A review of all the Community Game which is Level 3 to the bottom of the leagues and womens and all other aspects of the game.  This will include Student Rugby.
 
AF's Straw Man Concept through the whole of the rugby "landscape" with challenges to Levels 3 and 4 a possibility.  Do we have 16 team leagues, do we have Students, and do we have that D word Divisionalisation!
 
Dumbing down the game is another D word.
 
I do not like the thought of the current pyramid being flattened in the name of less competition as it will mean lower standards and a mountain to climb into Championship.
 
Nat 1 N  & S with a play off for promotion.
 
Nat 2 N, Mids, SW and LSE
 
Then Nat 3 ????????? How many Divisions?
 
Quality of this set up?  Poor!!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 09:05

The first challenge has to be a meaningful definition of the Community game. National rugby is simply that to level 4. Is Regional Rugby, level 5, Community? Local rugby - level 6 - level 10 is self evidently local and community in the reliance upon volunteers.

The number of leagues at each level, the size of the leagues, 16,14 or 12 and the number of promotion/relegation clubs are the variables. Then you may or may not accommodate other competitions. All dictate the shape of the league pyramid.
For me the need is to maximise the size of each league together with the number of promotion relegation spots. Level 1 14 & 2 down, level 2 16 and 2 up, 2/3 down, level 3 16 and 2/3 up, 4 down.
More stimulus, real competition and player/member motivation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Mar 2013 at 22:20
Well AP it seems to me that the Game has no interest in AGR.
 
Perhaps there will as usual be a maliase from the masses and then a lot of screaming and gnashing of teeth when it jumps out and bites them.
 
I watched this from the beginning and am amazed that this has not been taken seriously.
 
Burwell RFC was a little response without any thought as to what is going on.
 
AP your comment on the previous game or League re-organisation was well made and we would want to avoid such a change again if change is going to happen.
 
Perhaps someone from the AGR would like to comment.  We might then have an idea on what is happening but it is unlikely that they will respond or if they do you might have to look between the lines or the spin.
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