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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Redted Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Dec 2019 at 12:20
The Redruth delegates to the 'local' listening panel in Bridgewater (circa 5 hours round trip on a working day) were not selected to attend.  They were not informed of this either, just not contacted.
Are there many others in this situation?
Was there an issue with the on-line booking process?  It would not surprise me given the RFU's record for poor IT.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thunderbird Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Dec 2019 at 14:59
Similar happened here,our delegate had to phone as he had no reply . Did have a place allocated . Only 3 delegates ,rfu staff out numbered them. This process is appalling, manipulative and divisive.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bluepig Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2019 at 09:03
I too Attended the Bridgewater Meeting and i was made aware that the 2 others from my own club had been knocked back ,  strange as Clifton had 3 In Attendance , and one poor chap who had travelled up from Camborne , it was a odd evening , and quite rushed , although i suspect he did  not want to be dragged down with individual clubs issues ,  a large table had been set up ,  but only 7 Persons In Attendance ??

 the more  odd point is Steve Hill Directly contacting the DOR`S of the clubs at level 3 & 4  for their view 

 i think in the past hes been quite vociferous  in asking for a cut in the number of games 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2019 at 10:08
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

But being semi-pro is not black and white, it is many shades of grey,depending on whether your match fee is £1 or £1,000.


This is the real crux and the variety of payment / benefit given to players, money ( cash or declared income !), jobs, accomodation ,cars and even scholarships to University.some clubs offer work through sponsors.


Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Dec 2019 at 15:58
Got told at weekend Steve Hill was contacting all the D of Rs/Head Coaches, at the request of the NCA committee after an NCA meeting at Esher, to ask how many matches were wanted at level 3/4 from a players and coaches point of view. He was apparently wanting 26 not 30. By all accounts the original question asked by the NCA to the clubs was about change in structure not number of games. Can't see why NCA could not have asked this question themselves?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Dec 2019 at 00:31
It is obviously sensible to collect data - as long as the coaches actually give meaningful answers.

I do not know what the players would say. 

At levels these levels , they are pushing themselves to the limit.
I you are doing your own fitness regime every day and training two or three times a week - you probably want a game 
every week - ideally in the 1st XV.

I know very few who if fit turn down county games and England Counties / Barbarians tours or sevens engagements over the summer, which suggests they are happy to play and numbers of games are not that much of an issue. Some might struggle with getting the leave for tours.

But I am not a player.

While they will say they want to play the best sides, I doubt anyone really wants to sit on a coach, so the players might vote for more regional structure.

As to the clubs, they obviously want as many fixtures as possible in over to maximise income and spread the fixed costs of running the club. Any club that has taken out a loan for new facilities will have made assumptions about the number of games in their business plan. Players do not like leaky changing room and cold showers - but renovations cost money.
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As we have identified above that the consultation process has been a complete sham, it's interesting that the latest edition of the RFU Council notes dated 29th November includes the following under

ADULT MALE COMPETITION STRUCTURE GROUP UPDATE

5.2 There is already significant evidence (more than was available to the ACR (which actually demonstrated there was little or no empirical evidence supporting signficant change) that the male adult competition structure is not fit for purpose. (not one scintilla of evidence is provided, and no reference made to where the evidence exists)
5.3 The Group has met 3 times and already consulted widely. This is clearly NOT the case, unless widely means single figure attendances at some of the RFU filtered events
5.7 .it is hoped the recommendations will be adopted and implemented for the start of the 2020/21 season...if the changes help stabilise the game, the sooner they implemented the better..

I believe we would need 100 Member RFU clubs to sign a letter to the CEO requesting a Special General Meeting.....

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DICKON Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 hours 60 minutes ago at 15:43
Richard - the point is that the RFU seem intent on driving through change with as little consultation as possible, whilst producing no empirical evidence to back up the need for that significant change. They have also not produced any of the plans publically (barring stating at the consultation events that the status quo was not an option), which gives us all little or no time to review them. I disagree its a lose/lose for the RFU - any organisation that behaves in this way should be held accountable.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 9 hours 51 minutes ago at 16:52
Originally posted by DICKON DICKON wrote:

Richard - the point is that the RFU seem intent on driving through change with as little consultation as possible, whilst producing no empirical evidence to back up the need for that significant change. They have also not produced any of the plans publically (barring stating at the consultation events that the status quo was not an option), which gives us all little or no time to review them. I disagree its a lose/lose for the RFU - any organisation that behaves in this way should be held accountable.

But I read constantly on this board, and hear at some clubs, is that some clubs want change. 

What I don't read/hear is a majority of views towards a specific change.  Simply put club treasurers want more games, club players want less...but even then that is misleading, and a whole range of factors come into play. 

What do you want the RFU to do? Listen to these mumblings of change and then try and understand them or ignore them? They are damned if they do and damned if they don't!

Do you want them to produce plans before listening - because to some that suggests the RFU have already made up their minds, or do you want to have a consultation and then draw plans up after that consultation?

Some days I think BREXIT is easier to resolve!




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5 hours 39 minutes ago at 21:04
I think the Lancashire League is proof of some disquiet.
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