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Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Surely a huge sign of rugby potentially coming back was on Saturday when adapted 15-a-side rugby was played between teams who did not require to be tested at nearly £100 per person. Am sure there will be bumps in the road but if the Prem 15s is able to happen successfully then surely this will add weight to allowing the male community game to return.


You may well be correct, however the elephant in the room is the return of crowds - not sure clubs at level 3 and below can afford to play without any income (well most of them can't anyway)
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The crowd point is an interesting one. In football, below National League North and South (which is where I think the FA have cut off the definition for the elite game) crowds are being allowed in, a number of clubs at Step 3, Step 4 etc who play in grounds which are the equivalent to a lot of our National 1/2 grounds are allowed to bring in 300/400 a week. Now bearing in mind the RFU have said Level 3 down is the community game, I can't see why the same rules wouldnt apply for rugby (assuming of course COVID protocals are followed). 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 2020 at 10:43
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The crowd point is an interesting one. In football, below National League North and South (which is where I think the FA have cut off the definition for the elite game) crowds are being allowed in, a number of clubs at Step 3, Step 4 etc who play in grounds which are the equivalent to a lot of our National 1/2 grounds are allowed to bring in 300/400 a week. Now bearing in mind the RFU have said Level 3 down is the community game, I can't see why the same rules wouldnt apply for rugby (assuming of course COVID protocals are followed). 

I think they have their meeting today about it so I hope they will see common sense and allow the game to start. Otherwise there will be untold damage if clubs can't start playing league rugby in January
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by stato stato wrote:

The crowd point is an interesting one. In football, below National League North and South (which is where I think the FA have cut off the definition for the elite game) crowds are being allowed in, a number of clubs at Step 3, Step 4 etc who play in grounds which are the equivalent to a lot of our National 1/2 grounds are allowed to bring in 300/400 a week. Now bearing in mind the RFU have said Level 3 down is the community game, I can't see why the same rules wouldnt apply for rugby (assuming of course COVID protocals are followed). 

I think they have their meeting today about it so I hope they will see common sense and allow the game to start. Otherwise there will be untold damage if clubs can't start playing league rugby in January

Seems unlikely because the second spike is with us and things are getting worse by the day.
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Originally posted by Robb Robb wrote:

Originally posted by stato stato wrote:

The crowd point is an interesting one. In football, below National League North and South (which is where I think the FA have cut off the definition for the elite game) crowds are being allowed in, a number of clubs at Step 3, Step 4 etc who play in grounds which are the equivalent to a lot of our National 1/2 grounds are allowed to bring in 300/400 a week. Now bearing in mind the RFU have said Level 3 down is the community game, I can't see why the same rules wouldnt apply for rugby (assuming of course COVID protocals are followed). 

I think they have their meeting today about it so I hope they will see common sense and allow the game to start. Otherwise there will be untold damage if clubs can't start playing league rugby in January

Robb, While I understand what you are saying and in a way agree with your thoughts.

Can you explain how sides like Caldy (Liverpool) DMP (North east ) would be able to travel or host games. Both are overnight stays for the London based sides.Which would mean going into a level 3 area to play a contact sport to return south with extra risk of possible infection.




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Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Surely a huge sign of rugby potentially coming back was on Saturday when adapted 15-a-side rugby was played between teams who did not require to be tested at nearly £100 per person. Am sure there will be bumps in the road but if the Prem 15s is able to happen successfully then surely this will add weight to allowing the male community game to return.

But the problem comes when just one of the players in the match tests positive. Team mates will self-isolate, fixtures will be cancelled, rugby will be seen as a big risk. And so the same will apply to any matches sanctioned in the male game Tier 2 down. 
The debacle involving Sales shows that Tier 1 is struggling to make it work and limping to see the season out. Either we need a vaccine or a herd immunity philosophy to make it work I feel.
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Originally posted by B Cap B Cap wrote:

Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Surely a huge sign of rugby potentially coming back was on Saturday when adapted 15-a-side rugby was played between teams who did not require to be tested at nearly £100 per person. Am sure there will be bumps in the road but if the Prem 15s is able to happen successfully then surely this will add weight to allowing the male community game to return.

But the problem comes when just one of the players in the match tests positive. Team mates will self-isolate, fixtures will be cancelled, rugby will be seen as a big risk. And so the same will apply to any matches sanctioned in the male game Tier 2 down. 
The debacle involving Sales shows that Tier 1 is struggling to make it work and limping to see the season out. Either we need a vaccine or a herd immunity philosophy to make it work I feel.
or (and I fear this is more likely) an acceptance that a 1% death rate is acceptable. The number of times I've seen that type of post actually worries me. Having had covid-19 (and not died), I would say that anyone who says "it's just the flu" has had neither disease. We still don't know the long term affects of Covid 19. Also the "only old people get this" worries me too. 
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Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by B Cap B Cap wrote:

Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Surely a huge sign of rugby potentially coming back was on Saturday when adapted 15-a-side rugby was played between teams who did not require to be tested at nearly £100 per person. Am sure there will be bumps in the road but if the Prem 15s is able to happen successfully then surely this will add weight to allowing the male community game to return.

But the problem comes when just one of the players in the match tests positive. Team mates will self-isolate, fixtures will be cancelled, rugby will be seen as a big risk. And so the same will apply to any matches sanctioned in the male game Tier 2 down. 
The debacle involving Sales shows that Tier 1 is struggling to make it work and limping to see the season out. Either we need a vaccine or a herd immunity philosophy to make it work I feel.
or (and I fear this is more likely) an acceptance that a 1% death rate is acceptable. The number of times I've seen that type of post actually worries me. Having had covid-19 (and not died), I would say that anyone who says "it's just the flu" has had neither disease. We still don't know the long term affects of Covid 19. Also the "only old people get this" worries me too. 

jimbo, i'm not suggesting the herd immunity is the way forward -  but if not that, then the we will have to wait for the vaccine 
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Originally posted by B Cap B Cap wrote:

Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by B Cap B Cap wrote:

Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Surely a huge sign of rugby potentially coming back was on Saturday when adapted 15-a-side rugby was played between teams who did not require to be tested at nearly £100 per person. Am sure there will be bumps in the road but if the Prem 15s is able to happen successfully then surely this will add weight to allowing the male community game to return.

But the problem comes when just one of the players in the match tests positive. Team mates will self-isolate, fixtures will be cancelled, rugby will be seen as a big risk. And so the same will apply to any matches sanctioned in the male game Tier 2 down. 
The debacle involving Sales shows that Tier 1 is struggling to make it work and limping to see the season out. Either we need a vaccine or a herd immunity philosophy to make it work I feel.
or (and I fear this is more likely) an acceptance that a 1% death rate is acceptable. The number of times I've seen that type of post actually worries me. Having had covid-19 (and not died), I would say that anyone who says "it's just the flu" has had neither disease. We still don't know the long term affects of Covid 19. Also the "only old people get this" worries me too. 

jimbo, i'm not suggesting the herd immunity is the way forward -  but if not that, then the we will have to wait for the vaccine 
I think what you're saying is what we should do, what I was saying is what will probably happen...
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Originally posted by B Cap B Cap wrote:

Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by B Cap B Cap wrote:

Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Surely a huge sign of rugby potentially coming back was on Saturday when adapted 15-a-side rugby was played between teams who did not require to be tested at nearly £100 per person. Am sure there will be bumps in the road but if the Prem 15s is able to happen successfully then surely this will add weight to allowing the male community game to return.


But the problem comes when just one of the players in the match tests positive. Team mates will self-isolate, fixtures will be cancelled, rugby will be seen as a big risk. And so the same will apply to any matches sanctioned in the male game Tier 2 down. 
The debacle involving Sales shows that Tier 1 is struggling to make it work and limping to see the season out. Either we need a vaccine or a herd immunity philosophy to make it work I feel.

or (and I fear this is more likely) an acceptance that a 1% death rate is acceptable. The number of times I've seen that type of post actually worries me. Having had covid-19 (and not died), I would say that anyone who says "it's just the flu" has had neither disease. We still don't know the long term affects of Covid 19. Also the "only old people get this" worries me too. 


jimbo, i'm not suggesting the herd immunity is the way forward -  but if not that, then the we will have to wait for the vaccine 


Read an article today that said a person got infected with Covid19 for the second time (definitely a different strain) - first time round his symptoms were not too bad - second time around he has a much more serious dose. Additionally he had no underlying health issues.

Yes, I know 2nd infections are as yet not that common, but if this is the result we have a problem.

As for vaccines, I suspect you would need periodic vaccinations to maintain immunity - but how many a year 2, 4, 12?
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All viruses mutate, which is why the flu jab is administered yearly.

The Corona virus will not go away, we will just have to adapt our lives and live with it.
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Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

All viruses mutate, which is why the flu jab is administered yearly.

The Corona virus will not go away, we will just have to adapt our lives and live with it.

Well said.
The sooner we decide to manage the risk the better. 

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Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

All viruses mutate, which is why the flu jab is administered yearly.

The Corona virus will not go away, we will just have to adapt our lives and live with it.

Well said.
The sooner we decide to manage the risk the better. 

For those interested the different experience in Jersey and Guernsey is worth exploring. Guernsey have adopted a much stricter border control and as a result I think they have only a couple of cases and the pubs are open, no social distancing is required and the local rugby team had an odd match with Manx who have a similar record. Jersey opened the borders when they had virtually no cases and presently have over 60 cases with new ones every day. This winter will show which policy was most effective.
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Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Originally posted by Sail By Sail By wrote:

All viruses mutate, which is why the flu jab is administered yearly.

The Corona virus will not go away, we will just have to adapt our lives and live with it.

Well said.
The sooner we decide to manage the risk the better. 


One part of living with it will be wearing masks often.
Flu according to USA CDC kills 0.1% of infected patients.
With this nasty taking lives between 15 and 30 days, reviewing average positive tests two weeks ago to average deaths currently comparing that info shows deaths closer to 1%.

We can return to things, hopefully soon, but we need to respect it’s a nasty virus.

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Update statement from Bedford Blues from a few hours ago. Not sure I had "got" the end of March statement previously. I guess all the rest is the best you could hope for, even if it's not what you'd want .... https://bedfordrugby.co.uk/news/2020/10/update-bedford-blues-supporters?fbclid=IwAR15kTfC_oUBwPxkrUa5hVBpKtPVI9z2HMFmtc2tsqT7NK4eD9WmKQXDxAY

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Originally posted by TAS63 TAS63 wrote:

Update statement from Bedford Blues from a few hours ago. Not sure I had "got" the end of March statement previously. I guess all the rest is the best you could hope for, even if it's not what you'd want .... https://bedfordrugby.co.uk/news/2020/10/update-bedford-blues-supporters?fbclid=IwAR15kTfC_oUBwPxkrUa5hVBpKtPVI9z2HMFmtc2tsqT7NK4eD9WmKQXDxAY


It wouldn’t surprise me if there was a rights issue to pump some more money into the club. Although we do not have that many players contracted players (10 I believe albeit expensive ones) so at least our costs are not as high as some other clubs.
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Rugby paper reports Knights to start training early November for a January start of season.  I've not seen anything from the club regarding this.
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So with the National Leagues being side-lined for this season what will the small localised League Cup mean? Will clubs be able to turn sides out? With no promotion in play will some clubs chose not to waste resources. Will supporters turn up?
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Where have you seen that about the leagues?

I was of the understanding they were going to try and start in Jan 21 

Is there some new information out??
If so please share 


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So the Knights have decided to take players off furlough and pay them even with no definite fixture list/start date in place, without knowing if crowds will be allowed and no other income forthcoming-deep pockets or the road to ruin.
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