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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 2020 at 10:20
TB rugby is happening as we speak. The women are playing adapted laws without any testing. 2 matches have been called off due to a player contracting Covid but no evidence this happened as a result of training or playing rugby. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 2020 at 10:50
But can clubs afford to have players back, taking them off furlough when they do not know when the season is going to start? 

Even if the Season does start sometime in January, clubs are paying players with no revenue, and potentially no gate revenue when matched begin!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 2020 at 11:10
It's all nonsense and despite Marigold's enthusiasm for a restart it'll be absolute chaos if it does. Just look at rugby league with all the protocols that are in place, testing every few days and then clubs locked down, fixtures cancelled, games against the same side you played 4 days earlier. I don't  believe there would be as much flexibility in Union to have a Covid lockdown at one club and then be able to arrange another fixture against a different club at such short notice.If it doesstartyoul'll play a game and then find yourself waiting 4 weeks for your next one because of the inevitable Covid outbreaks. I also agree with Runitback - why would clubs want to pay players, having little or no income for what will be littlemore than a chuck-about. Madness! 
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I think the situation with Fiji might(I do say might) make the powers that be have a think about the feasibility of contact team sport until a vaccine proves workable.
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However we dress it up or however much we may plead with the authorities I can't think of another sport less suited to a restart than rugby. Sad but true! 
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I think it depends on whether you are an optimist, a realist or a pessimist. The continuum runs from a restart in January with limited crowds to nothing before next September and even then limited crowds. The likely outcome is somewhere in between. The players that I know want to get back to playing, even knowing the risks, but the issue is how many over-60 supporters will take the risk of watching them play an amended form of rugby. My Club is hoping to get 10 matches played before the end of May with 5 home matches with gates limited to 600. That at least will give us some income to get us through to the summer when our external rental income rises. Club sustainability is a large part of the argument here.
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

I think it depends on whether you are an optimist, a realist or a pessimist. The continuum runs from a restart in January with limited crowds to nothing before next September and even then limited crowds. The likely outcome is somewhere in between. The players that I know want to get back to playing, even knowing the risks, but the issue is how many over-60 supporters will take the risk of watching them play an amended form of rugby. My Club is hoping to get 10 matches played before the end of May with 5 home matches with gates limited to 600. That at least will give us some income to get us through to the summer when our external rental income rises. Club sustainability is a large part of the argument here.

I must say I find it worrying that players want to get back to playing knowing the risks. Of course wanting to and actually doing it are two different things but don't they realise the risks this would pose to their family, friends and others? Or do they just not care?
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I don't blame the players as it is up to them and their families to sacrifice meeting up to allow them to play. They care a lot about their families and are missing out on a lot, but it is what they have wanted to do for years. With the testing that they get, the new vaccines and good social distancing...let's play!! 
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

I think it depends on whether you are an optimist, a realist or a pessimist. The continuum runs from a restart in January with limited crowds to nothing before next September and even then limited crowds. The likely outcome is somewhere in between. The players that I know want to get back to playing, even knowing the risks, but the issue is how many over-60 supporters will take the risk of watching them play an amended form of rugby. My Club is hoping to get 10 matches played before the end of May with 5 home matches with gates limited to 600. That at least will give us some income to get us through to the summer when our external rental income rises. Club sustainability is a large part of the argument here.

I must say I find it worrying that players want to get back to playing knowing the risks. Of course wanting to and actually doing it are two different things but don't they realise the risks this would pose to their family, friends and others? Or do they just not care?


Perhaps this will reduce the risk you are alluding to........for the players at present.
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And P.S. my employers (Europe's Largest Employer) is ramping up for vaccinations in about a month or so / possibly early new year, so how about we take a slightly more positive outlook. Yes, there are some problems to overcome but why should we all be preparing ritual seppuku or be doom sayers. There is some light at the end of the tunnel revel in the joy for a while chaps - it might lift your spirits in time for that most joyous of times each year.
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Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

And P.S. my employers (Europe's Largest Employer) is ramping up for vaccinations in about a month or so / possibly early new year, so how about we take a slightly more positive outlook. Yes, there are some problems to overcome but why should we all be preparing ritual seppuku or be doom sayers. There is some light at the end of the tunnel revel in the joy for a while chaps - it might lift your spirits in time for that most joyous of times each year.

Well said. The boffins who have developed these vaccines are brilliant, and we can at last see an end to this horrible time. It may not come in time to allow rugby this season, but at least we can all look forward to the new season come September.
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Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

And P.S. my employers (Europe's Largest Employer) is ramping up for vaccinations in about a month or so / possibly early new year, so how about we take a slightly more positive outlook. Yes, there are some problems to overcome but why should we all be preparing ritual seppuku or be doom sayers. There is some light at the end of the tunnel revel in the joy for a while chaps - it might lift your spirits in time for that most joyous of times each year.

Well said. The boffins who have developed these vaccines are brilliant, and we can at last see an end to this horrible time. It may not come in time to allow rugby this season, but at least we can all look forward to the new season come September.

Indeed, I have a degree in Microbiology, and what they have achieved was considered impossible twelve months ago. We should erect a statue to these research scientists.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 2020 at 19:43
There's been some coverage in the nationals about a funding package for sports, notably rugby, to be announced in Parliament tomorrow (Thu). There's no specific mention of the Championship. I posted a Telegraph article in Clubhouse Chat
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 2020 at 12:52
£9m for Championship . . . . £8m of which is ringfenced for Sarries!!! :-)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Scrumtime Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 2020 at 13:26
So that's £750k per club... take away the withdrawal of the RFU grant of £650k to clubs in the champ, meaning each club is about £100k up on the season with no outlay on players! 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brizzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 2020 at 13:43
£139m for rugby union compared to £12m for league..... we can count our lucky stars. This is very welcome IMHO
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

£139m for rugby union compared to £12m for league..... we can count our lucky stars. This is very welcome IMHO
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League is a northern sport so who cares? - so much for levelling out between North and South.
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Originally posted by Scrumtime Scrumtime wrote:

So that's £750k per club... take away the withdrawal of the RFU grant of £650k to clubs in the champ, meaning each club is about £100k up on the season with no outlay on players! 
That's about £90k more than those clubs below you in the pyramid might be getting..Ouch
What if the Hokey Kokey really IS what it's all about?
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

£139m for rugby union compared to £12m for league..... we can count our lucky stars. This is very welcome IMHO
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League is a northern sport so who cares? - so much for levelling out between North and South.

More to do with participation probably. Only the North and 2 clubs in London care about rugby league. Whereas union is nationwide with more clubs, more players and more leagues.
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Super League Clubs were offered £16 mill over the summer,on very similar terms. Essentially,the money has to be repaid on very specific terms,so I believe the only SL club to take up part of the loan was Hull KR. Any Union clubs taking up the offer will have to demonstrate how they propose to repay the loans,together with guarantees etc. Essentially just helps with cash flow where there is a liquidity issue. The CVC money is on the line for Premiership clubs.
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