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Originally posted by Bill Sley Bill Sley wrote:



Anyone know what the law variations are? Am struggling to see how this could all work without testing, but who knows........

  • A play advantage law from a knock-on – reducing scrums by over 75%
  • Free-kicks awarded to the opposition for a forward pass – reducing face-to-face contact by 6%
  • Removal of the option for a scrum at a free-kick or penalty – reducing face-to-face contact by 7%
  • A maul may only have one stop then the ball must be used to reduce the length of the maul
  • No players who are not in the start of a lineout can join a maul to reduce the number of players in the maul
  • It will only be possible to drive a lineout in 22m to reduce the number of mauls
  • Strict social distancing while ball is out of play, including set water breaks, named bottles, limited face-to-face warm-up
  • Game time is reduced to 35 minutes each way to mitigate risk while also recognising the game will be faster with fewer stoppages and thereby supporting player welfare
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

 

Most of their side is South African.

Thanks for that. Well, let's see. 
23 of the 1st team squad are not South African
9 of the 1st team squad are South African
Throw in the 15 or so "Jets" players who've turned out for the 1st team who are also not South African, I'd suggest your Maths is off. 
In fact I'd say that more of them are from the North West of England
  1. Tom Curry
  2. Ben Curry
  3. Matt Postlethwaite
  4. Arron Reed
  5. Sam James
  6. Luke James
  7. Kieran Wilkinson
  8. Gus Warr
  9. Cal Ford
  10. Raffi Quirke
  11. Ciaran Booth
  12. Josh Beaumont
  13. Will Cliff
  14. Ross Harrison
  15. Cameron Neild
  16. Connor Doherty
I got bored at this point. So let me rewrite your post for you

Most of their side is from the North West of England.



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Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

 

Most of their side is South African.


Thanks for that. Well, let's see. 
23 of the 1st team squad are not South African
9 of the 1st team squad are South African
Throw in the 15 or so "Jets" players who've turned out for the 1st team who are also not South African, I'd suggest your Maths is off. 
In fact I'd say that more of them are from the North West of England
  1. Tom Curry
  2. Ben Curry
  3. Matt Postlethwaite
  4. Arron Reed
  5. Sam James
  6. Luke James
  7. Kieran Wilkinson
  8. Gus Warr
  9. Cal Ford
  10. Raffi Quirke
  11. Ciaran Booth
  12. Josh Beaumont
  13. Will Cliff
  14. Ross Harrison
  15. Cameron Neild
  16. Connor Doherty
I got bored at this point. So let me rewrite your post for you

Most of their side is from the North West of England.





Du Preez x 3
De Klerk
de Jäger
Van der Merwe
Oosthuizen
Van Rensburg
Wiese

That's 9 out of 32 - accepted not most but a sizeable chunk - most of whom are regulars
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

 

Most of their side is South African.


Thanks for that. Well, let's see. 
23 of the 1st team squad are not South African
9 of the 1st team squad are South African
Throw in the 15 or so "Jets" players who've turned out for the 1st team who are also not South African, I'd suggest your Maths is off. 
In fact I'd say that more of them are from the North West of England
  1. Tom Curry
  2. Ben Curry
  3. Matt Postlethwaite
  4. Arron Reed
  5. Sam James
  6. Luke James
  7. Kieran Wilkinson
  8. Gus Warr
  9. Cal Ford
  10. Raffi Quirke
  11. Ciaran Booth
  12. Josh Beaumont
  13. Will Cliff
  14. Ross Harrison
  15. Cameron Neild
  16. Connor Doherty
I got bored at this point. So let me rewrite your post for you

Most of their side is from the North West of England.





Du Preez x 3
De Klerk
de Jäger
Van der Merwe
Oosthuizen
Van Rensburg
Wiese

That's 9 out of 32 - accepted not most but a sizeable chunk - most of whom are regulars

I’m sure Ben Curry could do a job at hooker but I’m not backing Ross Harrison to shine at wing.

To be fair, of the 9 South Africans named, 8 would probably make the Sale best XV. It also left out Jono Ross who is also South African and would make the Sale starting XV. So 9/15 is quite a large proportion...


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Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

 

Most of their side is South African.


Thanks for that. Well, let's see. 
23 of the 1st team squad are not South African
9 of the 1st team squad are South African
Throw in the 15 or so "Jets" players who've turned out for the 1st team who are also not South African, I'd suggest your Maths is off. 
In fact I'd say that more of them are from the North West of England
  1. Tom Curry
  2. Ben Curry
  3. Matt Postlethwaite
  4. Arron Reed
  5. Sam James
  6. Luke James
  7. Kieran Wilkinson
  8. Gus Warr
  9. Cal Ford
  10. Raffi Quirke
  11. Ciaran Booth
  12. Josh Beaumont
  13. Will Cliff
  14. Ross Harrison
  15. Cameron Neild
  16. Connor Doherty
I got bored at this point. So let me rewrite your post for you

Most of their side is from the North West of England.





Du Preez x 3
De Klerk
de Jäger
Van der Merwe
Oosthuizen
Van Rensburg
Wiese

That's 9 out of 32 - accepted not most but a sizeable chunk - most of whom are regulars


I’m sure Ben Curry could do a job at hooker but I’m not backing Ross Harrison to shine at wing.

To be fair, of the 9 South Africans named, 8 would probably make the Sale best XV. It also left out Jono Ross who is also South African and would make the Sale starting XV. So 9/15 is quite a large proportion...



You are correct - I forgot Ross.

Saracens used to have a few Saffers - remember thinking then that it cannot be good for English rugby to have so many foreigners playing in the Premiership.

There should be a quota - say 5 non-British qualified players per 23 man squad?
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There is a quota I think it is 2.
But it currently includes all EU and Kolpak qualified players.
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Doesn’t the Kolpak arrangement fall away at the end of December when the Brexit transition period ends and we leave the EU completely?
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Maybe, maybe not.

Presumably the RFU have informed clubs secretaries.
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From the definition of Foreign in RFU regulations.

"Note:  In  the  event  of  any  governmental  changes  that  impact  this  definition  during  the  season,  the  status  quo  will  prevail  for  the  2020-21  season, unless otherwise notified by the RFU. "




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Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:




To be fair, of the 9 South Africans named, 8 would probably make the Sale best XV. It also left out Jono Ross who is also South African and would make the Sale starting XV. So 9/15 is quite a large proportion...

Although the best performances post lockdown did feature a healthy percentage of local talent. Lots of clubs have lots of internationals. Sale happen to have them mostly from South Africa. How many other clubs have this many players who are from the local area? 15 is a good total to have as a percentage of the club with such a small roster in the Premiership.
 

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Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:




To be fair, of the 9 South Africans named, 8 would probably make the Sale best XV. It also left out Jono Ross who is also South African and would make the Sale starting XV. So 9/15 is quite a large proportion...


Although the best performances post lockdown did feature a healthy percentage of local talent. Lots of clubs have lots of internationals. Sale happen to have them mostly from South Africa. How many other clubs have this many players who are from the local area? 15 is a good total to have as a percentage of the club with such a small roster in the Premiership.
 



Agreed they do well but it isn't 15 out of the 23 man squad who are local - besides the 8-9 Saffers regularly chosen there are other non-locals such as Tuilagi, Yarde, Solomona etc
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Scotland pulled the equivalent of the Champ/Nat 1 till the Spring of 2021 yesterday evening: Looking for a April start for 2 months playing 10 games:

"The FOSROC Super6 Sprint Series, which had a scheduled start date of 31 October, will now not take place. The FOSROC Super6 teams will now work towards a full fixture card in the spring of 2021". 


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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:




To be fair, of the 9 South Africans named, 8 would probably make the Sale best XV. It also left out Jono Ross who is also South African and would make the Sale starting XV. So 9/15 is quite a large proportion...


Although the best performances post lockdown did feature a healthy percentage of local talent. Lots of clubs have lots of internationals. Sale happen to have them mostly from South Africa. How many other clubs have this many players who are from the local area? 15 is a good total to have as a percentage of the club with such a small roster in the Premiership.
 



Agreed they do well but it isn't 15 out of the 23 man squad who are local - besides the 8-9 Saffers regularly chosen there are other non-locals such as Tuilagi, Yarde, Solomona etc

You're forgetting, the Curry twins, The James brothers. All four key players all four Local, all four through the academy. This bashing of Sharks for having all these foreigners in the squad misses the point of the mixture of the squad. Name one successful team in English Pro-rugby without significant imported players? 
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Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:




To be fair, of the 9 South Africans named, 8 would probably make the Sale best XV. It also left out Jono Ross who is also South African and would make the Sale starting XV. So 9/15 is quite a large proportion...


Although the best performances post lockdown did feature a healthy percentage of local talent. Lots of clubs have lots of internationals. Sale happen to have them mostly from South Africa. How many other clubs have this many players who are from the local area? 15 is a good total to have as a percentage of the club with such a small roster in the Premiership.
 



Agreed they do well but it isn't 15 out of the 23 man squad who are local - besides the 8-9 Saffers regularly chosen there are other non-locals such as Tuilagi, Yarde, Solomona etc


You're forgetting, the Curry twins, The James brothers. All four key players all four Local, all four through the academy. This bashing of Sharks for having all these foreigners in the squad misses the point of the mixture of the squad. Name one successful team in English Pro-rugby without significant imported players? 


Exeter - they have far fewer imports than most clubs, a couple of South Africans and a couple of Scots recently joined.

They also have a Welsh prop who has been there some years - nowhere near the amount Sale have and far more successful.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:




To be fair, of the 9 South Africans named, 8 would probably make the Sale best XV. It also left out Jono Ross who is also South African and would make the Sale starting XV. So 9/15 is quite a large proportion...


Although the best performances post lockdown did feature a healthy percentage of local talent. Lots of clubs have lots of internationals. Sale happen to have them mostly from South Africa. How many other clubs have this many players who are from the local area? 15 is a good total to have as a percentage of the club with such a small roster in the Premiership.
 



Agreed they do well but it isn't 15 out of the 23 man squad who are local - besides the 8-9 Saffers regularly chosen there are other non-locals such as Tuilagi, Yarde, Solomona etc


You're forgetting, the Curry twins, The James brothers. All four key players all four Local, all four through the academy. This bashing of Sharks for having all these foreigners in the squad misses the point of the mixture of the squad. Name one successful team in English Pro-rugby without significant imported players? 


Exeter - they have far fewer imports than most clubs, a couple of South Africans and a couple of Scots recently joined.

They also have a Welsh prop who has been there some years - nowhere near the amount Sale have and far more successful.

If you're talking about England qualified, then they have 20 non-English qualified players. I'd call that "significant". Exeter Chiefs are actually a great example of local development supplemented by Non-English qualified players. It's a great model to follow. However, let's not forget that Sale Sharks Academy have been producing local talent for a significant while now and it's paying off. But, don't let that stand in the way of your views

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Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by jimbojetset jimbojetset wrote:

Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:




To be fair, of the 9 South Africans named, 8 would probably make the Sale best XV. It also left out Jono Ross who is also South African and would make the Sale starting XV. So 9/15 is quite a large proportion...


Although the best performances post lockdown did feature a healthy percentage of local talent. Lots of clubs have lots of internationals. Sale happen to have them mostly from South Africa. How many other clubs have this many players who are from the local area? 15 is a good total to have as a percentage of the club with such a small roster in the Premiership.
 



Agreed they do well but it isn't 15 out of the 23 man squad who are local - besides the 8-9 Saffers regularly chosen there are other non-locals such as Tuilagi, Yarde, Solomona etc


You're forgetting, the Curry twins, The James brothers. All four key players all four Local, all four through the academy. This bashing of Sharks for having all these foreigners in the squad misses the point of the mixture of the squad. Name one successful team in English Pro-rugby without significant imported players? 


Exeter - they have far fewer imports than most clubs, a couple of South Africans and a couple of Scots recently joined.

They also have a Welsh prop who has been there some years - nowhere near the amount Sale have and far more successful.

If you're talking about England qualified, then they have 20 non-English qualified players. I'd call that "significant". Exeter Chiefs are actually a great example of local development supplemented by Non-English qualified players. It's a great model to follow. However, let's not forget that Sale Sharks Academy have been producing local talent for a significant while now and it's paying off. But, don't let that stand in the way of your views



But you have looked at a 67 strong squad, when you look at there normal 23 man squad the numbers are much less.

But don't let that stand in the way of your views either.
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Sadly the only glimmer where I live is a discarded chewing gum wrapper near the local pitch.
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Surely a huge sign of rugby potentially coming back was on Saturday when adapted 15-a-side rugby was played between teams who did not require to be tested at nearly £100 per person. Am sure there will be bumps in the road but if the Prem 15s is able to happen successfully then surely this will add weight to allowing the male community game to return.
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