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    Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 19:03
I found this on a Government site for prospects for young people in various professions.

A newly signed professional will earn around £20,000, rising to around £40,000with experience. In rugby union, the highest wage at an academy for a player with a professional contract is £20,000 a year, while the average for a Premiership player is£70,000.

www.inputyouth.co.uk/jobguides/job-rugbyplayer.html

I have heard that some very young ,signed academy players get £ 12,000 per season.There are premiership players I understand on hundreds of thousands !. The disparity seems ridiculous to me. 

I watch a considerable amount of Championship games and I believe that anyone willing to take part in a Championship game should get well paid for their services. I imagine contracts are  over a season . Simplifying the cost of a large squad 
at 40 players at an average of £25,000 per player equates to a player only cost of £1.000.000. a mid size squad of 30 players at £35,000 equals £ 1.050.000. Obviously there are differing pay scales due to supply and demand.

What do other people here think is a suitable season salary for a Championship player regardless of games played. Even as a reserve player you still have to train as a professional and commit to the training regime.
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Surely it's got to be around the average UK wage to make it worthwhile. Obviously there's going to be a sliding scale, starting with the young boys through to experience. The latter may well have financial commitments that need fulfilling whereas the youngest still live at home etc. If you're giving up a potential lucrative career for rugby then 35-40K is the minimum, otherwise you could have your career play Nat1 & pick up your £X00 per game on top of your salary.

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Considering what the fairyball players earn I'd say a minimum 10 grand a week. Money is an emotive issue but the effort these guys put in it's a shambles if they only get 20 grand a year, when the game is extremely wealthy at the top end.

The world has gone mad.

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My heart agrees totally with RM2 my head has a few other points to make.

1) Most football teams lose a lot of money and only survive because of rich benefactors or cash from the TV companies.

2) Football teams also receive a large income from their fan base Championship teams attendances in general equate to Division 2 or National League football clubs.

3) The FA and Premiership Football would appear to support the lower leagues and use them as a good training ground for their aspiring stars which the RFU and Premiership Rugby would appear to ignore.

Hence the question where is the money to pay our players going to come from ?

I passionately believe in the Championship and put in a good few years working and helping my club however am becoming more and more concerned that those at the top of the sport are only interested in England winning the next world cup taking their massive bonuses for achieving  this target and then ????????? off . Not giving 2 hoots about the sport we love and the chaos that might follow.


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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

I found this on a Government site for prospects for young people in various professions.

A newly signed professional will earn around £20,000, rising to around £40,000with experience. In rugby union, the highest wage at an academy for a player with a professional contract is £20,000 a year, while the average for a Premiership player is£70,000.

www.inputyouth.co.uk/jobguides/job-rugbyplayer.html

I have heard that some very young ,signed academy players get £ 12,000 per season.There are premiership players I understand on hundreds of thousands !. The disparity seems ridiculous to me. 

I watch a considerable amount of Championship games and I believe that anyone willing to take part in a Championship game should get well paid for their services. I imagine contracts are  over a season . Simplifying the cost of a large squad 
at 40 players at an average of £25,000 per player equates to a player only cost of £1.000.000. a mid size squad of 30 players at £35,000 equals £ 1.050.000. Obviously there are differing pay scales due to supply and demand.

What do other people here think is a suitable season salary for a Championship player regardless of games played. Even as a reserve player you still have to train as a professional and commit to the training regime.


As an Ealing follower, I'm not too sure you should be raising this subject!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chappers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 23:33
and therein lies one of the biggest problems in the professional game, the huge gulf between the Championship and the Premiership. I hate to say it but if it wasn't for this gulf, most Championship players wouldn't be fulltime professionals. A few make it through to the Premiership, but a huge amount of supposedly better talent just doesn't develop as there is no game time for the fringe Premiership players who are hogged by their clubs .
In a more ideal set-up the salary cap in the Prem would be lowered along with a proportionate amount of funding, which could be allocated to the Championship clubs, who could then take ownership of those fringe Prem players who would get more game time and a better chance to develop and progress.
This together with the closing of the funding gap would give Championship sides a better chance of competing should they get promoted and make the top two pro tiers a more progressive joined up system.
Unfortunately this would mean that many of the current pros in the Championship would be sidelined.
The RFU recognise this issue, but their proposals for buddy clubs/relaxing of loan and DR players is just fiddling around the edges as they have lost all of their powers to PRL, who just keep squeezing more and more for their own ends.
The idea of a second tier of fully pro players backing up the Premiership is a sound one, but as it currently exists the gulf between the two just means it doesn't work. You have three groups of pros, those who form the regular premiership match day squads, those on the fringes/acadamies of those sides and those in the Championship who are basically cut adrift.
I fully understand why players will take low salaries in order to try and get a foothold into the game, but find it hard to understand how some can manage on the wages they are earning.
The RFU convinced the Championship that they should be fulltime professionals, but the reality is that some players could probably be earning more working in Tesco, imho that's just smoke and mirrors giving the impression of a fully pro league and something somewhere is going to give as the Championship clubs and players start to realise it's just not sustainable.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ol' Blue Eyes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Feb 2017 at 09:11
Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:


I watch a considerable amount of Championship games and I believe that anyone willing to take part in a Championship game should get well paid for their services. I imagine contracts are  over a season . Simplifying the cost of a large squad 
at 40 players at an average of £25,000 per player equates to a player only cost of £1.000.000. a mid size squad of 30 players at £35,000 equals £ 1.050.000. Obviously there are differing pay scales due to supply and demand.



Based on the annual report I'd estimate that Bedford's wage bill is around £600k for players and another £150k for coaching staff. Give or take. 

The DRs take the wage pressure off, but it's still a struggle to field a competitive team each week and we have the 2nd highest attendances. 

How our brothers in the league are managing is herculean!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Feb 2017 at 10:39
You cannot compare salaries in Rugby to those in the most lucrative league in Soccer.
Premiership players are paid more than any other Soccer league.

The premiership play more games with bigger crowds with a world wide TV audience and with a squad of fewer players. And of course mean salary is inflated by the few superstars on very large numbers.

According to one site listing reported salaries at Manchester United Paul Pogba is on £290k a week but Tmothy Fosuh-Mensah is on £5k a week. Not a bad salary - but still quite a discrepancy.

The salaries drop quickly as you go down the divisions, Championship average is around £200k a year down to League 2 average of £700 a week according to the figures I can find and I do not know if that is in season or 52 weeks a year.

League 2 gets roughly the same crowds as the RFU Championship - so it is not surprising rugby Salaries are in that range rather than higher. 


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Originally posted by Ol' Blue Eyes Ol' Blue Eyes wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:


I watch a considerable amount of Championship games and I believe that anyone willing to take part in a Championship game should get well paid for their services. I imagine contracts are  over a season . Simplifying the cost of a large squad 
at 40 players at an average of £25,000 per player equates to a player only cost of £1.000.000. a mid size squad of 30 players at £35,000 equals £ 1.050.000. Obviously there are differing pay scales due to supply and demand.



Based on the annual report I'd estimate that Bedford's wage bill is around £600k for players and another £150k for coaching staff. Give or take. 

The DRs take the wage pressure off, but it's still a struggle to field a competitive team each week and we have the 2nd highest attendances. 

How our brothers in the league are managing is herculean!
 
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Originally posted by mundiz mundiz wrote:

Originally posted by Ol' Blue Eyes Ol' Blue Eyes wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:


I watch a considerable amount of Championship games and I believe that anyone willing to take part in a Championship game should get well paid for their services. I imagine contracts are  over a season . Simplifying the cost of a large squad 
at 40 players at an average of £25,000 per player equates to a player only cost of £1.000.000. a mid size squad of 30 players at £35,000 equals £ 1.050.000. Obviously there are differing pay scales due to supply and demand.



Based on the annual report I'd estimate that Bedford's wage bill is around £600k for players and another £150k for coaching staff. Give or take. 

The DRs take the wage pressure off, but it's still a struggle to field a competitive team each week and we have the 2nd highest attendances. 

How our brothers in the league are managing is herculean!
 
I thought that Bedford Blues were an Amateur Outfit    LOL

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Originally posted by Loo fighters Loo fighters wrote:

Surely it's got to be around the average UK wage to make it worthwhile. Obviously there's going to be a sliding scale, starting with the young boys through to experience. The latter may well have financial commitments that need fulfilling whereas the youngest still live at home etc. If you're giving up a potential lucrative career for rugby then 35-40K is the minimum, otherwise you could have your career play Nat1 & pick up your £X00 per game on top of your salary.

The average UK wage is £ 26,500 !  approx £507 per week. The argument that the more experienced players should receive more payment does not apply in this sport due to the limited span of a rugby players career. it is surely based on ability regardless of age.

In the Championship the wages are incredibly poor in my opinion and seemingly below the UK average wage for the vast majority of `professional players. It as been said before the RFU should spread the money around and filter the money from the top to the lower leagues. It will never happen but it surely needs reviewing.
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I suppose the thinking of a player in that position is that he has a chance of being picked up by a Premiership club.
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