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Barnes' form this season is a bit of a curates egg - five defeats in a row, followed by five straight wins, and now five losses in a row once more!

Looking back to 2015/16, when Barnes last avoided relegation from N2S, their form was very similar - five losses followed by four wins then five defeats in seven. Strange parallels.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jester10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 11:22
Originally posted by Surreyben Surreyben wrote:

Barnes' form this season is a bit of a curates egg - five defeats in a row, followed by five straight wins, and now five losses in a row once more!

Looking back to 2015/16, when Barnes last avoided relegation from N2S, their form was very similar - five losses followed by four wins then five defeats in seven. Strange parallels.

Looking at the table it's hard to see Barnes being dragged into a relegation battle. The two poorest sides I've seen at OBR this season are Guernsey and LIWG, difficult to see them escaping, unless of course LIWG manage to find some academy players from somewhere Wink 

I think the bottom three are now there for the duration.  
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Darth, I love reading your posts on here over the years, keeps us all up to date and on this great league. I really ought to stay as a reader not a poster! but I have to disagree with you on the big game at Dry Leas 5 years ago. I think it also raises some interesting issues still relevant today.

Arguing that Will and Jonah (who was outstanding for Leicester yesterday) decided who won the league that year or even that one single big game at Dry Leas is not really accurate, and does a bit of disservice to the other players on both teams. Nor is the follow on thinking that having the financial wherewithal to acquire them true either.

Jonah was in his second season as a D/R from Wasps that year and Will had played every game since Christmas, also as a D/R, as cover for James Comben. Of course you have to have the relationship with the Premiership academy in the first place, and those players can have a huge impact or not, as Worthing know very well. But they don’t normally cost very much from the actual budget as they are usually being paid by the parent club, and that’s true for both Will and Jonah.

If you look at the two forward packs (including bench) in that one game, and having watched a lot of Worthing games that season and all Hawks, I would strongly argue that if the same exact 2 teams had played each other 10 times, then Henley would have won all 10. Put Miles and McGowan back into Worthing’s team and it would have been a bit more even. Will and Jonah both played eye catchingly well that day but the game was won and lost up front. I would suggest that that our squad strength in the back third of the season to cover for absences after the registration window is why we won the league that year, we had players missing that day especially in the forwards, Alex Penney and Ryan Newman, but we didn’t miss them nearly as much as Worthing missed their absentees. This is a budget issue as well as a planning issue, but not with the 2 d/r’s, it’s also a major factor every year for the teams at the top.

Henley’s best performance that season btw, was not beating Worthing at Dry Leas, but beating Hartbury away a month earlier, although the best performance of any team that year was Worthing turning round and beating Stourbridge in the play off. Great feat of coaching and leadership from your boys.

Back up to today, I saw some the best/ most skillfull rugby I’ve seen at Dry Leas for a long time from the current Worthing boys - very young - earlier this year. Bodes very well for your future I think.

Still a great league this. All the best. GTH.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Darth Raider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 21:14
Hi GTH.......it''s a shame that you and others don't contribute more ?  
I concede all your points on the game in question, you are, for the greater part, better informed than me.  Though I would point out that we were missing many more from our pack than just Miles and McGowan, though there is not a side at (at least) level 3 that would not miss that pair.
I was at the Stourbridge game and it was amazing, though to be fair, they were the better team on the day, just outbattled very near the end.  

I think you might be right in your 10/10 opinion on the sides that actually played on that (fateful) day.....but it is worth keeping in mind that I think a pretty fair representation of both team's first XV fronted up at the Rugby Park earlier, in terms of the forwards, and we won 49-5  TongueWink
To be fair, this was almost completely down to the buffoonery (IMO) of the Hawks tactics.....they were clearly instructed to NEVER kick the ball, and did not, no matter what happened.  It was quite bizarre.
I think you had ten consecutive  TBP's up until that point......so I can understand persisting with it for a good while ? 

That said, I'm pretty sure that messrs Robinson and Holmes were NOT on show, though maybe Robbie Stapley was ?

WE won at Hartpury too, albeit by one point......good side.  

FWIW,  I don't think you will go up this year......I think your backs are still too weak in both attack and more so, in defence.  Recruitment there and you might make it next year ?

Thanks for the words on our youngsters.......we have a lot of them and many of them have been forced into the first XV due to our injury problems.......i must wonder if anybody has ever fielded a pack with an average age of 21 ?  This is a double edged sword......weakened now, but we have a huge number of boys with extensive exposure to level 4 rugby now,...so as you say, it bodes well for the future and squad depth.Big smile

It was good to hear from you.......don't be a stranger Big smile


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Looks like the battle for the play off spot this year is going to be the closest for a long while. Who do you think are favourites?

A lot will depend on injuries and squad depth (as always), but looking at what everyone has left I would say that Canterbury are the fav’s because of the number of home games against the top 5 sides, plus they’ve already played TJ’s home and away and don’t face Rams until the last match, who by then will probably be promoted already. TJ’s are definitely still in it, but if they don’t win against us (Hawks) a week on Sat could be struggling. Taunton are obvs a very good team who can beat anyone on their day but having to play all the top 3 away makes it very difficult for them, if they do get a result down in Kent though, it’s going to be all back on. If I was going to give the 4 main teams involved a % chance of finishing 2nd (head not heart!) I would probaly go:

Cants 45%
Hawks 35%
TJ’s 15%
Taunton 5%
Bolter from outside 0%

What do you boys think?

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Originally posted by GTH GTH wrote:

Looks like the battle for the play off spot this year is going to be the closest for a long while. Who do you think are favourites?

A lot will depend on injuries and squad depth (as always), but looking at what everyone has left I would say that Canterbury are the fav’s because of the number of home games against the top 5 sides, plus they’ve already played TJ’s home and away and don’t face Rams until the last match, who by then will probably be promoted already. TJ’s are definitely still in it, but if they don’t win against us (Hawks) a week on Sat could be struggling. Taunton are obvs a very good team who can beat anyone on their day but having to play all the top 3 away makes it very difficult for them, if they do get a result down in Kent though, it’s going to be all back on. If I was going to give the 4 main teams involved a % chance of finishing 2nd (head not heart!) I would probaly go:

Cants 45%
Hawks 35%
TJ’s 15%
Taunton 5%
Bolter from outside 0%

What do you boys think?

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GTH,

I think you have got it spot on, we have still got to play Canterbury & TJ’s away never an easy place to get results.
This week though we have a little encounter with the Rams crossing the boarder into Oxfordshire, bearing in mind the Rams have never won at Dry Leas, should be a cracking match!!, so fingers & toes crossed to a fantastic win😀😀
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I think I might be right in saying that TJs have beaten all above them besides the Rams and Henley and Taunton have never beaten TJs home or away. Can anyone confirm? Tjs will need to start scoring some bonus points but it all looks very close this year. It will take a few weeks yet to sort out. I think Henley will have a tough few weeks.

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Originally posted by Clueless like most Clueless like most wrote:

I think I might be right in saying that TJs have beaten all above them besides the Rams and Henley and Taunton have never beaten TJs home or away. Can anyone confirm? Tjs will need to start scoring some bonus points but it all looks very close this year. It will take a few weeks yet to sort out. I think Henley will have a tough few weeks.
 
Taunton have not beaten TJs in the three meetings in N2S so far (2 away, 1 home). I don't believe they have played each other previously.
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It looks like one of TJ's, Hawks, Canterbury or perhaps Titans will snatch the playoff place this year.  
 
All will probably remain strong at home.......away form may well decide it.
Hawks are actually the strongest away side in the league so far,  but I believe, have alot of tough away fixtures to come.
Personally, I don't think any of the four are quite good enough for level 3 yet......no criticism intended, just the nature of Nat2S this year, where we have a huge bunch of sides separated only (IMO) by form and injury levels. 
If I had to pick one......I would go for the City Side, though they are a backs side and even Merton Lane at this time of year is not conducive to their preferred playing style. The weather may play a part and Hawks in particular might enjoy plenty of mud. 

I favour Canterbury,  rather because of the weaknesses of the others.......Hawks weakness in their backs.....TJ's inabilty to score 4 tries or more despite their excellent defensive capability,  and Titans also seem frail defensively.  Who knows ?

All of these sides may still have the wherewithal to recruit and change the whole pattern of how the season ends.  That MAY happen......if you have the funds.....this is a great season in which to get yourself a playoff position.   Not sure if that might be a home fixture yet or indeed, what the quality of the northern opposition might be this year .......but my impression is that they are in a similar situation to us......lots of good sides......anyone can beat anyone and it will be quite a scrap for the playoff place on Nat2N 

If Rams should falter at Dry Leas tomorrow.....as they did at OA's......then some may think the title is still up for grabs ?   I think not.   
What an incredibly unpredictable league we have again this year.  Will someone do an OLD REDS and claw their way away from relegation ?  It would be good to see but I think not.  TongueWink 
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There were three sides that Rams had never beaten away at the start of the season. Taunton, Redruth and Henley. 
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Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:

There were three sides that Rams had never beaten away at the start of the season. Taunton, Redruth and Henley. 


Congratulations Rams on your achievement. We were 12-7 up with 4 mins to go when we ran out of our 22 towards the 10 yard line when you tackled our player, you knocked it on, we were all waiting for the ref to blow up for a scrum and he didn’t and you scored! I feel we could have won that match and you used your get out of jail card! You had us in the scrum, but our backs played well and our defence, very good atmosphere today like a good old cup game! Good luck in Nat 1 next year, I feel Cantabury will get the 2nd spot, for us we gave a goof platform to build on next season.

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Originally posted by The Hawks The Hawks wrote:

Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:

There were three sides that Rams had never beaten away at the start of the season. Taunton, Redruth and Henley. 


Congratulations Rams on your achievement. We were 12-7 up with 4 mins to go when we ran out of our 22 towards the 10 yard line when you tackled our player, you knocked it on, we were all waiting for the ref to blow up for a scrum and he didn’t and you scored! I feel we could have won that match and you used your get out of jail card! You had us in the scrum, but our backs played well and our defence, very good atmosphere today like a good old cup game! Good luck in Nat 1 next year, I feel Cantabury will get the 2nd spot, for us we gave a goof platform to build on next season.

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I take it Henley have never benefitted from a missed knock-on judging by your protestations?
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by The Hawks The Hawks wrote:

Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:

There were three sides that Rams had never beaten away at the start of the season. Taunton, Redruth and Henley. 


Congratulations Rams on your achievement. We were 12-7 up with 4 mins to go when we ran out of our 22 towards the 10 yard line when you tackled our player, you knocked it on, we were all waiting for the ref to blow up for a scrum and he didn’t and you scored! I feel we could have won that match and you used your get out of jail card! You had us in the scrum, but our backs played well and our defence, very good atmosphere today like a good old cup game! Good luck in Nat 1 next year, I feel Cantabury will get the 2nd spot, for us we gave a goof platform to build on next season.

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I take it Henley have never benefitted from a missed knock-on judging by your protestations?


This is going to be my last statement on this. Our player was tackled by a Rans player who knocked it forward in the tackle, which was picked up and scored in the corner. Let’s move on now and look forward to next weeks game at TJ’s.
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Sheesh......I think I might give up this prediction game !  I am rubbish Tongue

As succinctly as I can....

Well done Hawks.....great try.
TJ's managed a TBP.....yay  !!! but concede 6 tries to the Wild Geese while they were at it and lost Ouch  What happened there then ? Confused
Raiders managed their first ever win at the Recreation Ground, where the Choppers are starting to look much less impregnable in recent times.....just my opinion, but they just don't have the pack any more....though a few decent backs.  Tongue
Barnes are back then ?  I think someone at the club needs to explain to us clueless posters what is going on ?  Can we now expect them to win their next 4/5 games ?  An outstanding and wholly unexpected win though Clap   Big smile
I had thought that the Reds forwards might upset the City Side at Merton Lane......but the title challengers forwards were clearly up for the battle and (I suspect) that their excellent back line were responsible for this surprisingly big win.  
I thought Clifton might cause Titans some big problems in an high scoring encounter.....that they appeared to do, but lost by 7 tries to 6.........fantastic game for the neutral.  
Guernsey fell by the wayside in the 'must win' game against BSE, but B & S did not......beating Dings.

But can any of the bottom 3 pull clear ?  Seems unlikely to me.  

Rams stretching away now as expected.
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Darth, it beats me why Barnes are so consistently inconsistent! The truth is on the pitch it is down to the players...in the recent run of five losses, preceeding today’s excellent bloody minded win, we certainly felt we could have won against the Reds, the Bees and even Henley last week, whilst performing well below par against the City side and Clifton. We need to significantly reduce our error count for starters...if we can do that then when we get possession we can hurt teams, as we did OA’s today with only 30/40% possession. We now have Bury at home next week and a trip to Guernsey to follow so who knows what will happen, at least if we don’t know what Barnes are going to do from week to week then the rest of you have no chance of predicting it either, ahhh the beauty of supporting your team with blind faith, I love it!
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This is going to be my last statement on this. Our player was tackled by a Rans player who knocked it forward in the tackle, which was picked up and scored in the corner. Let’s move on now and look forward to next weeks game at TJ’s.[/QUOTE]

Nick, I reviewed the match at 02.00 this morning (no, I don't have a life!), Nick Wood the referee, who had a very good game I thought, ruled that the RAMS player knocked the the Hawks players arms backwards in the tackle, the pictures appear to confirm that, and on that basis, referee's who are good, DO NOT make marginal calls .... Hawks fans will think it's a knock on, RAMS fans will think arms knocked back in the tackle, which just looking at it again, it does seem more probable ...

Henley played fantastically well, particularly in the lineout and pushed us to the limit, personally, a draw was probably a fair result but those are so hard to get in rugby, maybe, just maybe our superior fitness told in those last 10 minutes ...

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I see Stapley was back, albeit on the bench, was this a factor - he's a very good player at this level?

Watched an 'A' league game just before Christmas, which Nick Wood refereed. He had a good match, despite my team losing, very hot on the little pop passes being forward (which are usually missed). Also, being an ex prop he should have more idea than most about the dark arts of the scrum

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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

I see Stapley was back, albeit on the bench, was this a factor - he's a very good player at this level?

Watched an 'A' league game just before Christmas, which Nick Wood refereed. He had a good match, despite my team losing, very hot on the little pop passes being forward (which are usually missed). Also, being an ex prop he should have more idea than most about the dark arts of the scrum


Robbie is no where near full fitness to play 80 minutes, we decided he would be better OFF the bench than starting, in case we needed a bit of impetus, we are VERY MUCH A TEAM effort but I would be lying if I said that he doesn't add something to our already very good forwards unit .... because of his fantastic strength, he attracts defenders when he has the ball, thereby creating space for his team mates ...

His smile after the game though was the biggest I've seen from him this season and I told him that!

Nick Wood is a VERY GOOD referee at THIS LEVEL and we were NOT UNHAPPY to see the RFU had appointed him to the game ....
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by The Hawks The Hawks wrote:

Originally posted by Jester10 Jester10 wrote:

There were three sides that Rams had never beaten away at the start of the season. Taunton, Redruth and Henley. 


Congratulations Rams on your achievement. We were 12-7 up with 4 mins to go when we ran out of our 22 towards the 10 yard line when you tackled our player, you knocked it on, we were all waiting for the ref to blow up for a scrum and he didn’t and you scored! I feel we could have won that match and you used your get out of jail card! You had us in the scrum, but our backs played well and our defence, very good atmosphere today like a good old cup game! Good luck in Nat 1 next year, I feel Cantabury will get the 2nd spot, for us we gave a goof platform to build on next season.

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I take it Henley have never benefitted from a missed knock-on judging by your protestations?

Protestations? Reads like someone explaining what they saw and felt whilst congratulating their opponents.
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This is going to be my last statement on this. Our player was tackled by a Rans player who knocked it forward in the tackle, which was picked up and scored in the corner. Let’s move on now and look forward to next weeks game at TJ’s.[/QUOTE]

Nick, I reviewed the match at 02.00 this morning (no, I don't have a life!), Nick Wood the referee, who had a very good game I thought, ruled that the RAMS player knocked the the Hawks players arms backwards in the tackle, the pictures appear to confirm that, and on that basis, referee's who are good, DO NOT make marginal calls .... Hawks fans will think it's a knock on, RAMS fans will think arms knocked back in the tackle, which just looking at it again, it does seem more probable ...

Henley played fantastically well, particularly in the lineout and pushed us to the limit, personally, a draw was probably a fair result but those are so hard to get in rugby, maybe, just maybe our superior fitness told in those last 10 minutes ...

Rugby was the ultimate winner, with a massive crowd treated to a top quality game of Level 4 rugby ...

Ash Rowden[/QUOTE]

Clive/Ash

Thank you very much for your comments, it’s nice having the joys of watching the video, which I don’t have access to, but again on the split decision the ref had, to us it looked like a knock on by your player, joys of level 4 with no TMO!
I echo your comments, it was a fantastic game of rugby, Henley threw the kitchen sink at you, especially our backs, who made numerous breaks through your defence, but some excellent tackles when the line was inches away, that’s why you are top of the league!, you dominated the scrum, which surprised me and like you say we dominated the line out. Nice to see the crowd was just under 1200, according to our Facebook page, which gave a real cup atmosphere.

Good luck for the rest of the season.

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