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Originally posted by Darth Raider Darth Raider wrote:

Ah-ha....quite right Steve.....I was standing behind the lineout and and contributing to an  exercise of pointless pedantry, you are correct, BUT,  TJ's did bravely go through several phases from their own lineout, looking for a breakout and a win, it was only when the ball was passed back to Robinson that he (sensibly I thought) elected to take the draw. 

You going down to Bristol next week ?  


No, unfortunately can't make next week - not the easiest place to get to on public transport.

Will be at both home games before Christmas, will try to catch up with you then
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Well hello Spitfire........it seems a long time since we heard from you !  Your lads are having a fine time of it of late Tongue

I can't speak for the rest of the Raiders contingent on R-M of course, but any that were at the game yesterday are probably suffering from a collective malaise.....a deep seated depression.  I am Ouch

Old Reds were competitive, combative and played the horrible conditions and the slope on their ground very well.
I thought their fly half was excellent on the day, ran and passed well and kicked very well indeed.  He ran the game really.
I thought we were really poor. Tactically naive and indisciplined .  We got what we deserved out of the game methinks, which was nothing. Cry

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The halfway point reached then and our league seems to be arranging itself into some definite order.

Rams should be unstoppable at the top.

Guernsey, Wild Geese and B&S are looking in big trouble at the bottom.  It seems unlikely to me that any of these three have the playing strength to pull out of the relegation zone now,  despite there being half a season to run.  Escape, should it occur, might happen if one or more of the sides above them go into freefall.  

Just 8pts cover the 7 league positions from 7th-13th and I think that several of those clubs have big injury worries.......so who knows how that might yet develop ?
 
OA's are a bit detached.........too good to get dragged into the nonsense below them but for now, not able to get into that battle for second place. 

Perhaps the most interest might yet be generated in the fight for second place then, with the City Side in pole position (where I suspect they will stay),  but Hawks, Titans and TJ's are all in close attendance. 

I continue to look on with interest......the Raiders youngsters (augmented yesterday with our 43yr old prop, who I believe played all 80mins !!),  continue to battle on and gain very valuable level 4 experience.  


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Originally posted by Darth Raider Darth Raider wrote:

The halfway point reached then and our league seems to be arranging itself into some definite order.

Rams should be unstoppable at the top.

Guernsey, Wild Geese and B&S are looking in big trouble at the bottom.  It seems unlikely to me that any of these three have the playing strength to pull out of the relegation zone now,  despite there being half a season to run.  Escape, should it occur, might happen if one or more of the sides above them go into freefall.  

Just 8pts cover the 7 league positions from 7th-13th and I think that several of those clubs have big injury worries.......so who knows how that might yet develop ?
 
OA's are a bit detached.........too good to get dragged into the nonsense below them but for now, not able to get into that battle for second place. 

Perhaps the most interest might yet be generated in the fight for second place then, with the City Side in pole position (where I suspect they will stay),  but Hawks, Titans and TJ's are all in close attendance. 

I continue to look on with interest......the Raiders youngsters (augmented yesterday with our 43yr old prop, who I believe played all 80mins !!),  continue to battle on and gain very valuable level 4 experience.  




I made the trip up to ‘Wet Leas’ yesterday and watched a very entertaining match which OA’s dominated the first hal. The second half was a total different, with the driving rain in their faces, they just couldn’t cope with the onslaught by Henley scoring 26 unanswered points. On a sad note, OA’s scrum half suffered a serious injury, give credit due, the ref stopped the game immediately and sent the players off until he was taken to the medical room until the ambulance arrived, I hope he is ok now?

Second place is warming up nicely now. We have got Rams at home on January 5th but still got to go to Canterbury & TJ’s, so plenty of twists and turns to come!
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I good summation I think Darth Raider.
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Thanks for that Jez......we get so few contributions.....more than a hundred views for every post ConfusedOuch

I see that the optimistic Mr Burden has ventured away from his new home  ?   Hey Nick......your team have a great record currently and I can see why you and any other Hawks fans might be excited.  Not unjustifiably I suppose, but having watched your lot at Wet Leas, I think you will still fall short through lack of attacking talent in the backs.  

Frankly, if you did go up this year ???  I suspect it might be at least a year too early.....followed by a big Nat1 beating and relegation Ouch  
  
That said....there are some teams involved in this battle for second place that MIGHT be able to spend big to stay up ?  Are Hawks one of them ?  Perhaps not.   TJ's and Titans ?/  Probably and good luck to them .......superior volunteers Wink




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Darth,

we respect every team but fear no one.

It is interesting to hear the various voices both on here and at matches about "we've bought a team", funny they were NOT saying that 3 years ago almost to the week, in our first season, when OA's came to visit on January 2nd and beat us and we were in 15th place staring down the barrel of relegation ..... strange that, as over 75% of that team, are the players now top of the league.

Yes, we've added 2/3 quality players but we've got accustomed to the pace and physicality of the league, got significantly fitter and got tougher mentally and those 4 attributes, along with a sprinkling of quality players, is why we're top, not because we splash the cash .......

Still a long way to go but we're in a good position, Henley away on Jan 5th should be a cracking game, it's a game they can't afford to lose if they wish to remain in the hunt for automatic promotion, so for the neutrals, will be a great game, just don't think that there will be many of those in the crowd on the day! ...

Canterbury, Tonbridge & Taunton will still fancy their chances as well but as I said, we respect every team in the league but when we bring our "A" game, we are very good .... maybe not in a Barbarian style but more Leicester Tigers from 1995 - 2005 .....
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Well said Clive. I have noticed your clubs steady improvement over the last couple of seasons. It is very satisfying to see clubs developing from within such as my club Worthing. due to injuries we have blooded a number of youngsters especially in the forwards and they are now coming of age. Great for them and the club. As you say you respect all teams, very wise in this very competitive leagueWink
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Old Hooker,

I should just clarify one of my statements ....

"splash the cash" .... we're not saying we don't pay our players, we do, however, the sums we pay are within the budget laid down, which, having spoken to a number of players from other clubs (in Nat 2 South) during the summer when we were looking to recruit, are not in the same league i.e. we don't pay retainers, it's a simple match appearance with win bonus on top ... and unlike probably a lot of clubs, we've already been given a clean bill of health by HMRC!

The simple matter is that our 20 players on match day, play as a TEAM, and you can't put a price on that commodity ... you can have 15 brilliant individual players but they won't beat very often the 15 slightly lesser skilled players, who play for each other ....

Our club policy is to develop our younger players and supplement with experience and quality along side them, and then top quality coaches ... in the last 3 years, our forward coach has been supplemented by a Canadian international with over 50 caps and been to 4 World Cups and then after him, a National coach from another country who had worked with the forwards for over 22 years, that sort of coaching is invaluable ....

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Good evening Clive......been a while since your last contribution ?   
Am not sure quite what to think ?  Clearly. there is an issue with the green eyed monsters on our forum,  who believe that success in any individual club is down to them having the most money,

There is truth in this, but we should all appreciate that sometimes, this financial differential, is perpetuated by the volunteers at all of our clubs.  It is a fact of life that these volunteers vary in terms of both quality and number.

My personal opinion,  accumulated over the last 15yrs or so, is that the clubs that have the most efficient sponsorship regimes will have a distinct advantage and as you say, be able to supplement their squads with the 3 or 4 extra players that they need to move up a level.  

It would appear that Rams ....as with others like Chinnor and many before them, have reached that level. I am no more than envious. 

Good luck in Nat1 next year...........Mike 
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Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Darth,

we respect every team but fear no one.

It is interesting to hear the various voices both on here and at matches about "we've bought a team", funny they were NOT saying that 3 years ago almost to the week, in our first season, when OA's came to visit on January 2nd and beat us and we were in 15th place staring down the barrel of relegation ..... strange that, as over 75% of that team, are the players now top of the league.

Yes, we've added 2/3 quality players but we've got accustomed to the pace and physicality of the league, got significantly fitter and got tougher mentally and those 4 attributes, along with a sprinkling of quality players, is why we're top, not because we splash the cash .......

Still a long way to go but we're in a good position, Henley away on Jan 5th should be a cracking game, it's a game they can't afford to lose if they wish to remain in the hunt for automatic promotion, so for the neutrals, will be a great game, just don't think that there will be many of those in the crowd on the day! ...

Canterbury, Tonbridge & Taunton will still fancy their chances as well but as I said, we respect every team in the league but when we bring our "A" game, we are very good .... maybe not in a Barbarian style but more Leicester Tigers from 1995 - 2005 .....


So Clive, why do you think that the numbers will be low on January 5th? Or are you making yor excuses already?!! ( tongue in cheek!). I thought a local derby and what is at stake makes for a cracking game of rugby, if the rain holds out, but we proved against OA’s last weekend we can come from behind and win comfortably. Also, you haven’t won at Henley, you must be favourites, but I think it could be a one point game!
I am making the long trip from Cornwall, so hopefully you can make the short trip to Henley?!
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Originally posted by The Hawks The Hawks wrote:

Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Darth,

we respect every team but fear no one.

It is interesting to hear the various voices both on here and at matches about "we've bought a team", funny they were NOT saying that 3 years ago almost to the week, in our first season, when OA's came to visit on January 2nd and beat us and we were in 15th place staring down the barrel of relegation ..... strange that, as over 75% of that team, are the players now top of the league.

Yes, we've added 2/3 quality players but we've got accustomed to the pace and physicality of the league, got significantly fitter and got tougher mentally and those 4 attributes, along with a sprinkling of quality players, is why we're top, not because we splash the cash .......

Still a long way to go but we're in a good position, Henley away on Jan 5th should be a cracking game, it's a game they can't afford to lose if they wish to remain in the hunt for automatic promotion, so for the neutrals, will be a great game, just don't think that there will be many of those in the crowd on the day! ...

Canterbury, Tonbridge & Taunton will still fancy their chances as well but as I said, we respect every team in the league but when we bring our "A" game, we are very good .... maybe not in a Barbarian style but more Leicester Tigers from 1995 - 2005 .....


So Clive, why do you think that the numbers will be low on January 5th? Or are you making yor excuses already?!! ( tongue in cheek!). I thought a local derby and what is at stake makes for a cracking game of rugby, if the rain holds out, but we proved against OA’s last weekend we can come from behind and win comfortably. Also, you haven’t won at Henley, you must be favourites, but I think it could be a one point game!
I am making the long trip from Cornwall, so hopefully you can make the short trip to Henley?!
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If you read Clive's post properly you will see he says he doesn't expect many neutral supporters in attendance - makes no mention of the crowd size expectancy whatsoever.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by The Hawks The Hawks wrote:

Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

Darth,

we respect every team but fear no one.

It is interesting to hear the various voices both on here and at matches about "we've bought a team", funny they were NOT saying that 3 years ago almost to the week, in our first season, when OA's came to visit on January 2nd and beat us and we were in 15th place staring down the barrel of relegation ..... strange that, as over 75% of that team, are the players now top of the league.

Yes, we've added 2/3 quality players but we've got accustomed to the pace and physicality of the league, got significantly fitter and got tougher mentally and those 4 attributes, along with a sprinkling of quality players, is why we're top, not because we splash the cash .......

Still a long way to go but we're in a good position, Henley away on Jan 5th should be a cracking game, it's a game they can't afford to lose if they wish to remain in the hunt for automatic promotion, so for the neutrals, will be a great game, just don't think that there will be many of those in the crowd on the day! ...

Canterbury, Tonbridge & Taunton will still fancy their chances as well but as I said, we respect every team in the league but when we bring our "A" game, we are very good .... maybe not in a Barbarian style but more Leicester Tigers from 1995 - 2005 .....


So Clive, why do you think that the numbers will be low on January 5th? Or are you making yor excuses already?!! ( tongue in cheek!). I thought a local derby and what is at stake makes for a cracking game of rugby, if the rain holds out, but we proved against OA’s last weekend we can come from behind and win comfortably. Also, you haven’t won at Henley, you must be favourites, but I think it could be a one point game!
I am making the long trip from Cornwall, so hopefully you can make the short trip to Henley?!
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If you read Clive's post properly you will see he says he doesn't expect many neutral supporters in attendance - makes no mention of the crowd size expectancy whatsoever.


Well spotted, so I take that back Clive what I said earlier about crowd size!
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The Hawks ...

your apology is accepted!

I think there will be a bumper crowd, not anywhere near the 4000 that watched Henley v Worthing in that winner takes all game a few years back but a big, vocal & boisterous crowd ....

As I said, Henley will need all the support they can muster, lose to RAMS and the best they can hope for is a playoff place and they have to visit Canterbury, who've already beaten them at Dry Leas, so the PRESSURE is well and truly on the Henley lads in a big way ...

For RAMS, well having lost influential Robbie Stapley in match 4 of the season, to then win the next 11 games on the trot, all with 5 point bonus wins, they are in the driving seat (at the moment) and the said Mr. Stapley should be back fit and raring to go against Henley, something ALL Henley players must be delighted to hear .....
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A few points.....

Raiders were beaten in that big game.....3600 crowd IIRC, by two outstanding late imports.....Will Robinson., now back down to level 4 with TJ's. and most dramatically, by Jonah Holmes.....Wasps winger now ?  

I've been up to Wet Leas this year and, just IMO,  Rams should win 5-0, but if they don't arrive with enough intensity, it might be just 4-1. 
Hawks have a good back row and a decent pack in general, their strength this past 2/3 seasons.  I suppose if Rams don't front up in what will be a very intense game, then they might get turned over.  I put Hawks much on a level and playing style to OA's.....who have beaten Rams.....so who knows ???

THe BIG game tomorrow (of course), is Raiders v Raiders, as Guernsey visit the Rugby Park for the first time.  I shall of course, be there.  Feeling optimistic for our young lads  TongueWink  
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Originally posted by Clive Norling Clive Norling wrote:

The Hawks ...

your apology is accepted!

I think there will be a bumper crowd, not anywhere near the 4000 that watched Henley v Worthing in that winner takes all game a few years back but a big, vocal & boisterous crowd ....

As I said, Henley will need all the support they can muster, lose to RAMS and the best they can hope for is a playoff place and they have to visit Canterbury, who've already beaten them at Dry Leas, so the PRESSURE is well and truly on the Henley lads in a big way ...

For RAMS, well having lost influential Robbie Stapley in match 4 of the season, to then win the next 11 games on the trot, all with 5 point bonus wins, they are in the driving seat (at the moment) and the said Mr. Stapley should be back fit and raring to go against Henley, something ALL Henley players must be delighted to hear .....


Clive,
Robbie is a good player, but when it comes to the game, we are well aware of his abilities, you struggled against Clifton the other week, so we are taking that athe Rams are vulnerable, so an upset is on the cards?!
I don’t know why you think we can get automatic promoation from, you are at the moment are 11 points ahead of us, unless you go on a awful losing streak, the best we can go is for 2nd place play off which is definitely achievable.
Have a nice Christmas. See you on the 5th Jan.

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funny old game at Worthing with a grandstand finish giving them a 43-36 win with a last minute try - in fact they were well down with 10 minutes to go and managed 3 late tries to sneak the win

It was pretty hard on Guernsey who were the better team for most of the game. Surprised they are struggling this year if they play like that
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[QUOTE=Darth Raider]A few points.....

Raiders were beaten in that big game.....3600 crowd IIRC, by two outstanding late imports.....Will Robinson., now back down to level 4 with TJ's. and most dramatically, by Jonah Holmes.....Wasps winger now ?  

I'm not sure the "late imports" description is entirely fair. Both played a couple of months earlier when Henley had a thumping win at Chinnor. Both were outstanding and Holmes scored 4 tries.


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Fatbear......we are not really disagreeing are we???  Just a matter of whether 'recent' means two weeks or two months. Fact is, those two players, and having the admirable financial wherewithal to acquire them when needed, DID decide who won our league that year.  No complaint....no problem

Just to add, I watched Guernsey today.  Their forwards are very well coached and for the greater part, they outplayed us for at least 65mins.  Their set piece was very good and their command of the restarts equally damaging.  

I felt sorry for their travelling fans as they lead 22-36 with very little time left, but the (real) Raiders bench made quite an impact and we managed to get on the front foot for 10mins or so and  turned it around with some quite (IMO) pretty backs tries.  

I don't think that the result was a fair reflection of the game as whole......but I can't be unhappy with the great result.....we kept trying to the end and after some amazing continuity....many minutes into extra time, that allowed us to get an (undeserved) winning try.  Well done lads  WinkBig smile  I confess I would have taken a late draw as a 'get out of jail' card  Ouch
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