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    Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 10:32
Whilst I understand the need for safeguarding 17 year olds playing open age rugby. For the RFU to bring in a whole host of new regulations and forms to fill in 3 weeks before the start of the season is insane.

My club has had to send 8 new DBS applications in this morning, if thats mirrored across the RFU the Safeguarding department will go into meltdown.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 12:19
I have already had to get 2 of these completed for a pre season game

They are not onerous and actually i think sensible - they came in Aug1

Just need club and county coach to sign off on players suitability to play at that level plus the club safeguarding office has to ok it. Much better than the old system where a coach could do it themselves off their own bat without checking with others.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 13:15
To endorse Dad, clubs were well aware and should have been on top of it with the Counties being very helpful.

Edited by Cannon - 23 Aug 2019 at 13:16
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camp Freddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 13:41
Item 2 of 8th August game update was first it was out I think to both Counties and Clubs.

The player registration is straightforward, its the club registration which is a bit of an issue as Manager, Coach, Captain & First Aider for each team 1st, 2nd...... Womens etc will need to be DBS registered before the players can be registered.

Teams up here like Preston Grasshoppers have 5 senior sides and a Womens side.

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Down here all mini and juniors managers, ALL first aiders/physio's and ALL coaches have been being DBS checked for years.

Club i am at 5 mens,1 ladies,3 girls, all male juniors and full mini section

Who would you have NOT DBS checked other than maybe some adult team assistant coaches ?

EDIT:

Just went and checked emails and this was on an email sent to all parents on JULY 29th by my club so it must have been known well in advance of Aug8th

"IMPORTANT FOR ALL THOSE AT OR NEARING 17 Years old, the RFU have updated their safeguarding rules and as part of this they have changed the procedures for both 17yo boys and girls looking to play in adult games 
- you MUST NOT play for ANY adult team without speaking to a coach first and getting the full info on the procedure as it is no longer a case of simple parental & club coach permission."


Edited by Dad - 23 Aug 2019 at 15:09
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 15:25
Everyone is in the same boat, they are being turned around straight away down here.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 15:26
I believe the RFU Doc was released early July.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 15:40
Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

Everyone is in the same boat, they are being turned around straight away down here.

Cannon, the DBS Check for Team Captains and Coaches are being turned around that quickly.....bizarre normally takes weeks.  The must be spending some cash on the Safeguarding Department.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 15:46
I do have to ask though

Why were all those first aiders and coaches (of junior and mini at least) not DBS'd already.

Seems like common sense safeguarding to me as they have could have physical contact with a minor and/or access to confidential sensitive information on a minor. Sure i had a CRB (as was) done on me a decade back when i first got involved in any capacity with mini's and it has been kept up to date ever since by 2 clubs
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 15:59
Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Originally posted by Cannon Cannon wrote:

Everyone is in the same boat, they are being turned around straight away down here.

Cannon, the DBS Check for Team Captains and Coaches are being turned around that quickly.....bizarre normally takes weeks.  The must be spending some cash on the Safeguarding Department.

maybe as our coaches, managers, first aiders and physios are DBS that may make a difference.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camp Freddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 18:35
I think this thread has developed in to two halves. It originally was to address the playing of 17 year olds in open age rugby, the regulations were issued to the game on 8th August.

The new regulations for registering M&J players from the 29th July that Cannon is talking about is a different part of the regulations.

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Does it have to be approved by a county coach? The advice we’ve had is a level 2 coach, preferably not directly involved with coaching then signed off and sent to county safeguarding.

It’s an extra barrier for sure. But with rumours of lads being press ganged into playing it makes sense.
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Here it is 


Playing Adult Rugby – Player Approval Form


  • Approval for a male or female 17 year old to play adult rugby is required under Regulation 15.  Due to new DBS and Safeguarding Requirements from 2019 this is a 2-stage process.  

  • In addition to the individual player being approved, the Club also need approval to play 17 year olds in adult rugby by completing the Playing Adult Rugby – Club Approval Form and process.

  • This form should be read and actioned alongside the Age Grade Codes of Practice at www.englandrugby.com/codesofpractice.  Please see separate form for England Academy Players.


  1. The ultimate consideration must be for the welfare and safety of the player and those they play with/against.

  2. There must be clear communication with all those involved in and affected by the decision.  

  3. The following aspects must be considered:

  1. The physical and social development of the individual and their playing colleagues

  2. The skill level and experience of the individual

  3. The individual’s playing position in the team

  4. The competitive standard of the particular match and playing conditions.

  1. The form must be completed in full, endorsed by a coach of at least UKCC Level 2 and submitted to the Constituent Body (CB) for approval.  Once approved, the player can play adult rugby, not before.

Player Full Name:


RFU ID Number:


Club:


School/College:







Date of Birth:



Current Age Band:






Age Grade Playing Position(s):



Potential Adult Playing Position(s): 

Note: Players aged 17 years old are not permitted to play or train in adult rugby in the front row.



Number of years the player has played rugby:




Representative rugby the player has played since 15 years old (include DPP, Academy & Centre of Excellence):







Adult team(s) the player is likely to play for:




Will the player also continue to play Age Grade Rugby?



Reason for the player to play out of their Age Grade:


Requested start date for playing Adult Rugby

Note: Approval is for up to 12 months, until the player is 18 years of age



Player Assessment:

To include findings and how each element was measured.  The Age Grade Codes of Practice provide guidance on supporting evidence and how it might be measured.

Suitable for Adult Rugby?

Skill level and ability


Yes/No

Physical development for their age


Yes/No

Social & emotional development for their age


Yes/No

Additional comments & considerations



Coach Endorsement (This assessment must be endorsed by a coach of at least UKCC Level 2):

Coach Name:


Signature:


RFU ID Number:


Date:



Declaration:

We certify that all the information on this form is correct and if approved, agree to play the above player in Adult Rugby in accordance with RFU Regulation 15 (Age Grade Rugby).

Proposed by:


Signature:


E-mail:


Club Role:






Parent or Guardian:


Signature:


E-mail:


Date:


Please send the completed form to your appointed CB official for Playing Adult Rugby Approval or CB Honorary Secretary for review and approval.


Constituent Body Player Approval:

Does the Constituent Body approve the club’s assessment process and findings to allow the player to play adult rugby?  Approval is for up to 12 months, until the player 18 years of age

Yes

No

Date:


Approver:


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Originally posted by Dad Dad wrote:

I do have to ask though

Why were all those first aiders and coaches (of junior and mini at least) not DBS'd already.

Seems like common sense safeguarding to me as they have could have physical contact with a minor and/or access to confidential sensitive information on a minor. Sure i had a CRB (as was) done on me a decade back when i first got involved in any capacity with mini's and it has been kept up to date ever since by 2 clubs


As a cricket umpire I have to be DBS checked to be able to officiate although I have no direct contact with players, each team's captain and vice-captain have to be DNS checked - I cannot believe the same hasn't applied to other sports.

Does the ref have to be DBS checked?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 22:23
Rugby refs are DBS checked in London Society, so I assume the same all over the country.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 22:31
My child is still sub 18 and a ref (as well as player) and had to be DBS'd for that
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I don't think it is mandatory for refs to be DBS checked as they are not in regular contact with the same child / children.



Edited by Camp Freddie - 27 Aug 2019 at 15:54
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It may be a pain but a sound idea IMHO.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2019 at 20:19
Originally posted by Camp Freddie Camp Freddie wrote:

I don't think it is mandatory for refs to be DBS checked as they are not in regular contact with the same child / children.




I really think it ought to be mandatory.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Aug 2019 at 09:47
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Camp Freddie Camp Freddie wrote:

I don't think it is mandatory for refs to be DBS checked as they are not in regular contact with the same child / children.




I really think it ought to be mandatory.
CF is correct that it is not mandatory, but London as a defacto require refs to be DBS to cover all "what if" scenarios. 
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